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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (4 children)

This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.

What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".

While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.

I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.

They are definitely getting good, fast.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Not just people, the economy will end up paying the price.

Tariffs have horrible second order effects.

Every companies outputs is some other companies inputs.

American companies end up locked out of more affordable vehicles as inputs. That cost then gets baked into its output, which is some other company’s input. Then just keep following that chain.

The best broad blanket tariffs can hope to do is trade long term competitiveness for some short term price increase.

Americans will wonder why other nations eat our lunch in the coming decades. Well that foreign company could buy the cheaper machine to produce the widget, their raw materials cost less to deliver because the transit company that ships it in charges a better rate because they have lower vehicle overhead. Since they have 2 dozen suppliers for their components both foreign and domestic they are forced to compete on quality and price.

American companies will become even more bloated and inefficient

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

This is the real reason for tarrifs. Forcing citizens into paying ridiculous prices so biliionares can circle jerk about how much more power they can get. They're scourges and bottomless voids of resources and misery.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

It was just like what happened to the American auto industry before. Instead of listening to the market, we tell the market what they should buy.

We are losing our edge. People don't want expensive cars. They want affordable, reliable cars. It was just like earlier Japanese cars. Japan is losing their edge too.

Honda is too unreliable. I won't buy Honda again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Did not zee this happening.

[–] [email protected] 203 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Apparantly they have also been removing bike lanes in some area’s….

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which kind of blows my mind. Coal miners should love EVs. There was a story in the news a few years ago about how nice it was for the miners to help someone in an EV, as if they should be mortal enemies.

Non-EV cars don't run on coal, they run on gasoline. EVs on the other hand can run on coal, natural gas, solar, wind, you name it - and still are more energy efficient than cars burning gasoline. In a sane world, coal miners would be throwing their support behind electric vehicles. The utility companies seem to understand this, but seems like the support hasn't made its way up the supply chain.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Especially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (6 children)

the country of free market capitalism...

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (50 children)

i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 week ago (24 children)

I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

as customers switch to Chinese EVs

Sure. That's the reason.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I don't think that's what they meant. I think they are just saying that people are still buying EVs, but they are just going to Chinese and other manufacturers instead of buying a Tesla. The article specifically calls out the stupid shit Elon has been doing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Which is important because about a year ago the headlines were saying EV sales were collapsing. In fact, it was just Tesla having less market share of new EVs sold because other manufacturers got off their ass.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

He's basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They're killing everyone's dreams and inspiration.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

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