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So that's a registry worthy crime, right?
Peeing in public gets you put on the sex offender list? The fuck kinda laws is that haha.
Yeah, they should be in a registry, and lose their jobs. Anything less would be special treatment and a double-standard, since they were clearly breaking multiple laws.
Most (proper laws) laws require intent. Unless they purposely exposed themselves… Peeing in a corner exposes nothing and doesn’t fit any definition of “intent”. Why would this suddenly be any different?
These blanket laws are usually to get vagrants being in an alley.
It’s not a double standard, it’s a blanket law that shouldn’t exist to begin with lmfao.
Pissing in public shouldn’t net you a sex offender list ANYWHERE, where is the intent to expose to someone else or a minor? But bloviate about double standards I guess… yeesh lmfao.
It's not illegal to piss outside in California. It's illegal to create a nuisance to public health like leaving a puddle of piss on a paved playground, and it's illegal to piss "lewdly" which doesn't just mean sexual it includes when you did it right in front of the security camera trying to offend the liberal teachers who won't let you in the building and show them how above the law you are.
Some laws are "strict liability". I think some sex crimes are, for example
This is the same place that charges criminals for murder that police do yeah…?
Maybe the issue is the basis of the laws in your country to even begin with…?
These aren’t normal laws in other countries fyi.
The idea originated in Britain, per Wikipedia. This isn't a uniquely American problem
You can make an argument that we shouldn't have inherited Britain's legal system, but that's a pretty big argument
If it originated there, why doesn’t Canada have it lmfao.
I can actually make that argument, and a very good one that intent is very important.
A 30 second search revealed that Canada has some strict liability laws.
Not for sex offenders like pissing in public, of course it exists in other areas of law, but those aren’t applicable to all other areas.
I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore. My point was strict liability exists. Also the most famous instance of strict liability is sex crimes, I'm told.
You mean the link you provided that doesn’t talk about sex crimes at all? Thats what you want to support that strict liability applies to sex crime? The link that says it doesn’t? You sure?
Your point was strict liability should apply here in This case, when asked why, you provided strict liability. Now the at we hopefully found out why, you can educate yourself, that it usually doesn’t apply for sexual crimes… that’s the topic.
Should someone pissing in the trees have a blanket law applies to them, we know they exist, I’m laughing and pointing out how stupid it is to apply it in situations like pissing in a corner.
Zero, zero results for sex in your link you claim specifies it. Fucking amazing lmfao.
So crotches are considered inherently “ultrahazardous” since that’s the metric it says applies. Good take away.
You said that most laws require intent.
I said that strict liability exists. This was admittedly, a nitpick.
You did an on sequitur about how the US has a police problem, and said "These aren’t normal laws in other countries fyi.". I took that to imply the concept of strict liability doesn't exist in other laws, but maybe you meant something else. Maybe you meant it's not common?
I then pointed out that the concept originated in Britain. You said "If it originated there, why doesn’t Canada have it lmfao.", which is factually incorrect as far as I can tell. Canada has a concept of strict liability.
You then said,
Ignoring what feels like a moving goal post, maybe this reveals where we diverged. Maybe you thought I was saying all laws are strict liability? I wasn't.
The most famous example of strict liability is statutory rape. This is off topic from guys pissing in a parking lot (though I wouldn't be surprised if ICE goons do other crimes). https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/statutory-rape.html
The link I provided was a wikipedia article is clearly not an exhaustive answer of all things on the topic. If you do click through to the criminal article, it does mention a case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability_(criminal)
Anyway, this is a pointless, unpleasant, argument.
Welcome to the USA!
If he's at a school then yes that's exact how the law works.
Intent matters for laws that are meant to be used properly.
Unless they intentionally exposed themselves, pissing in public shouldn’t net you a sex offenders list standing.
Never heard of strict liability?
Of course, that’s not a thing in every country. This is the same country that applies murder to criminals when cops kill people, so not surprised they wouldn’t care about intent for other laws.
What a wild fucking place lmfao.
Many European countries have strict liability and some of the EUs dirctives themselves have strict liability.
What a wild place lmfao.
Source for EU? And for sex offences atleast.
Sounds like you’re trying to apply other law areas with strict liability to this one blanketly, which isn’t how it works..z
As a semi aside blanket laws are no good anywhere, you’re not advocating for blanket laws are you…? Hope not.
Even if there are no kids there?
Quite often yes. Because the laws don't usually specify anything about time of day or school activity, just location. Peeing on the fence at 230 am at the school down the street from the dozens of downtown bars? Sex offender registry. Clearly you're a pervert. And many State registries do little to differentiate severity or disclosing types of offenses, so that drunk guy pissing on the fence will be listed right alongside the church pastor that forcibly raped several dozen children.
This one I'm not sure on, but if it's during school hours or daylight I'm pretty sure yes. If it's like the middle of the night I think it's less clear, but each of the 50 states each have their own laws so no idea then. I'd wager yeah they could still charge you for that and leave it up to the court.
I actually went to high school in Michigan and one of my classmates almost got on the list for mooning some girls from the back window of a friends car on the parking lot. His parents paid a shit ton for lawyers to make it go away otherwise he wouldn‘t have been able to go to College.
The mooning in question was him exposing maybe the top 2 inches of his buttcrack, no spreading his cheeks or showing any male sex organs.
That’s quite a bit different than someone pulling their weiner out and peeing against a tree where no one can see anything. I hope you can see this.
I hope you can see that they are being paid by the federal government to disappear people and are on school property pissing instead of doing what any other professional on their shift would do and find another place.
You are right it’s very different. A high school person playing around with people his same age should certainly have to defend his case. Every ice agent should also have to explain why they were unable to use all their tactical gear and vehicles and planning to travel elsewhere to pee somewhere instead of literally exposing themselves on visible camera footage on school grounds. Every time you give them an inch it will become a mile
I've heard getting caught peeing in the woods in the middle of the night in some places can get you on the list
Yeah, no.
I've never been in the USA, but my cousin lives there, so she had legal practice connected to softening terms or whatever, I don't remember, for such sex offenders.
Say, there was a story when a guy decided to take a shit on the car of someone who insulted him, and didn't see that there was a kid in that car. So the intended offense was much less than what, eh, he actually got.
For these HEROES? Paid vacation until the public forgets. And maybe a promotion afterward. Ohh, and don't forget backpay.