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The best climate solution we can come up with is "make the cows burp less"?
Do better.
Firstly, climate change requires multiple solutions, this is just one of many. Secondly, methane is one of the gasses we can make the most change the quickest with. Thirdly, cow burps contain a lot of methane and it's pretty easy to reduce that with food supplements . It's actually pretty clever. Not sure why you're being so dismissive.
For some people, it seems that any change that isn't a 100% solution is wrong.
We've become so extreme in our conversations vs. being moderate to the point that people hate you for finding common ground. They want you to say they're right and that's it.
It's like that with everything now, people are becoming silly and can't see that most problems don't have a single, perfect solution.
Like, "seatbelts don't stop every possible vehicular fatality." Right, but their pretty good, and they're part of a suite of safety features that, taken together, make a difference.
if they are even listening to what you say in the first place. you can literally tell them what they're right about and they demand that you address other aspects of their comments.
What do we do outlaw beef? Until we can create a true facsimile through plants or lab grown meat it will just be an albatross around our necks in the culture war.
Cows are the largest source of methane on earth, and if you can add 1% algae to their feed or something to make them produce less we would be stupid to miss it.
By "do better" I think they mean "allow me to continue living exactly as I have been with no noticeable changes, hardships or tax increases"
Nah, tax the shit out of me. I live in Québec, I can take it. I spent 6 months this year working directly, or indirectly, in response to climate disasters.
Removing beef would be better than marginal increases in burps.
Removing cars would be better than burps.
Removing oil and gas extraction would do better than burps.
Make hard choices, incremental increases shouldn't be news.
NATO is making Canada the home of the headquarters for fighting climate change, think they're doing that because we're good at it?
These seem odd for some reason. like India with no goods carbon seems wrong? Canadian transport I expect as high due to the expanse of the country.
It's per capita, so India's consumer spending of $2T (Macrotrends) is split by 1.42B pop, so $1,282 per capita.
Canada is $1.2T for 33M pop. $26,333 per capita, or 20 times greater than India.
I am not surprised at all that India's goods consumption per capita is a rounding error.
I didn't think this was spending, I thought this was carbon production per category, and india produces a lot
I assumed it was consumption, and used spending as a facsimile for it.
Why should SE Asia pay the carbon bill for the West's consumption?
Agree on that...also where is USA on this?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357635354_15-Degree_Lifestyles_Towards_A_Fair_Consumption_Space_for_All
Cool thanks for the link
We could tax greenhouse gas emissions to internalize the environmental cost.
If the beef burger would cost 2x more than the plant-based burger (which basically tastes the same but has 90% fewer emissions), most people would choose the plant-based one. That would massively reduce food related ghg emissions, and also create a huge incentive to develop better alternatives/lab meat.
This. The simplest path toward a sustainable economy is doing away with the externalisation of costs on products that're killing us.
I can't agree with you on those plant-based burgers though. In no way do they taste the same. If you tax the shit out of cow meat though, it's likely that someone will be able to develop a better alternative.
Not American but doesn't the US government subsidize the meat and dairy industries? Could definitely start with lessening or doing away with that.
It's not just the US. Canada does it too, and i expect many other countries do as well. But yes, this is a great place to start, along with rolling back the trillions of dollars in fossil fuel subsidies.
Have you tried the Beyond burgers, granted I haven't eaten meat in 30 years, but to me they are so meat like that it makes me gag
Yup. I've had a few versions of both Beyond Meat and Impossible burgers. They're both better than what came before, but critically, I didn't like them. They certainly weren't comparable to actual cow.
...and I'm cool with that. Mass farming cows is killing us, so we need to drastically reduce that industry down to boutique level so that a "real" burger costs 5-10× what it does now. I just hope that we can do better than the current candidates. My personal hope is that the lab grown meat will be a fitting replacement.
Lab Grown meat makes sense to me. find the tastiest cell lines and replicate. So much waste in cattle farming, and nasty shit going into the cows to keep them viable.
Burgers have already gone up 250% in the past couple of years. Slow your roll there guy.
It's not the best, nor is it the only. It's one aspect across the entirety of human enterprise, and unlike an individual person, countries and societies are able to implement multiple initiatives at once.
What makes you think this is the only solution being implemented?
The fact our government bought an oil pipeline?