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[–] [email protected] 279 points 9 months ago (11 children)

"The young man was not dangling from a tree. He was not swinging from a tree. The rope was wrapped around his neck. It was not a noose. There was not a knot in the rope, so therefore, it was not a lynching here in Vance County."

Umm, are you saying it wasn't a lynching on a technicality? Everyone in the south must be Olympic level mental gymnasts. In particular to say there's no evidence of foul play, at least.

This is like Russian dissidents falling out of windows or down stairs.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The legal definitions can be far removed from normal usage: in California “lynching” is when a crowd forcibly removes a suspect from police custody, which historically was often a prelude to what we would recognize as actual lynching (presumably it was defined that way so participants could be charged even if they were stopped before harming the victim). But it’s been used in more recent times to charge protesters with “lynching” for interfering with the arrest of other protesters.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That is interesting that it has bespoke legal definitions. The Wikipedia entry is what I expected

Lynching is an extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor, punish a convicted transgressor, or intimidate people. It can also be an extreme form of informal group social control, and it is often conducted with the

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Yes, legal definitions vary a lot by jurisdiction. "Assault and battery" is probably the most varied. Some places they're two separate things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I guess based on that definition, since it wasn't proven yet that a group of people did this, it does not meet the criteria.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

A group could be three dudes in Klan robes. I haven't seen anything yet indicating that applies here. But the history of Deep South racism is also a history of terrorism. It only takes three homicidal maniacs to terrify a county.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He said Magee went to a nearby Walmart shortly before he died. That is where he is believed to have bought the rope found around his neck.

If this young man bought the rope himself, if there is evidence of this like surveillance video, that paints this situation in a pretty different light.

Edit: I want to be very clear that the police should be presenting any evidence they have of this. I would not take the police at their word. My comment here hinges on the report being true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I want to be very clear that the police should be presenting any evidence they have of this

Are you willing to wait for the investigation to finish, or do you prefer to have incomplete information so you can jump to conclusions sooner?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe the cop should have waited for the investigation to finish before making a fool of themselves by jumping to the conclusion of what this was not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Ho ho ho seems we got our gold medalist right here

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I didn't realise lynching had to be done in a certain specific way.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago

Yeah, otherwise it's just sparkling racism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

otherwise is general racism, not specific enough for "lynching"

/s

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Call it what you will, it’s a travesty and should be taken very seriously. But, this is the south, and most southerners love to mince words; especially when it comes to race and politics.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

very high chances they were interrupted trying to hang him or the body afterwards. sheriff is a tool.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

It's not a real lynching unless you know how to tie a proper noose. That means 13 loops.

[–] RamblingPanda 6 points 9 months ago

"Special strangulation operation"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Read between the lines, from what they revealed.

His feet were on the ground.

He bought the rope himself.

He was found not far from his semi.

The rope was wrapped around his neck and not tied together.

The guy was doing some self choking to get off. His "safety" was thinking that if he blacked out the rope would drop off him, but it didn't work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

This could be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Reminds me of the episode in The Wire where the various departments wouldn’t take responsibility over the dead girls in the can because of they could t pinpoint where exactly they died and when. They care too much for the state. God forbid there’s a lynching and instead of admitting they have a problem they focus on cooking the stats.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

He obviously hung himself from the tree with nothing to stand on and then untied the rope as a precaution. You know, in case any kids walked by.