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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20788199

Jessica Corbett
Sep 27, 2024

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Residential buildings that Hezbollah intentionally set up a headquarters in the basement of.

Thats already a war crime by Hezbollah.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Firstly, being the second one to commit a war crime does not make the act of doing so any less heinous.

Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you're basing that on, or is it just Israel's word you're taking? Because we know for a fact that Israel bombed civilians, and as far as I've seen, it's just hearsay that they were targeting actual Hezbollah members. On the other hand, we do know for fact that they've used this justification falsely before, so I'm disinclined to believe anything they say, frankly.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago

You want evidence?? Are you some kind of antisemite?? /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you're basing that on, or is it just Israel's word you're taking?

I mean, high ranking Hezbollah members do keep dying in these strikes, possibly including Nasrallah in this latest one. Sure Israel are still dicks for accepting the levels of civilian casualties that come along with it but the strikes do seem to be hitting actual targets.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The targets (so far):

Israel killed more than 700 people, including 50 children and 94 women, in air strikes it conducted across Lebanon since September 23.

At least 1,835 Lebanese people were wounded in the attacks, the country’s Ministry of Public Health said.

In addition to the entire genocide still going on in Gaza and ramping up in the West Bank

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It's literally terrorist 101 to use human shields. This tactic has been used by every insurgency in the last hundred years.

It's why it was added as a war crime.

As for the second one to commit a war crime. If you follow the rules, but your enemy doesn't, you will lose. This is the international equivalent of the bunch buggy no punch back bullshit that let's people hit you with no retaliation.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Repeating the same lies "human shields" and "terrorist" doesn't make it true.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

What about repeating the Truth? Because that's what he's actually doing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The leader of Hezbollah was confirmed dead in the attack, so clearly they were using human shields... They have been attacking Israel from a foreign country, and are not part of that countries military, which makes them terrorists.

You don't like the truth, but lying about it doesnt change the facts of the matter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It makes them a paramilitary organization. They're fulfilling their duty under international law to stop genocide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

They're committing war crimes constantly. Attacking civilians and using human shields by building their bases in residential buildings.

They aren't fulfilling any sort of duty.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The IDF uses Palestinians as human shields.

There are literal videos of this.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So Isrealis are terrorists? We have actual video of them using human shields.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes? I've never claimed they aren't bad. The US does it too, along with pretty much every country who goes to war because international law and the rules of war are bullshit.

There are no rules in war other than "win"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

This should be fun. Where uh... Where's the US policy on using human shields?

The "everybody does it" argument is complete bullshit, but I'd love to see your evidence that the US routinely and as a matter of standard procedure uses human shields.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, it's asymmetrical warfare. It works like that. You want everyone to line up in straight lines across a football field and take turns firing?

I purpose we have all the world's nations choose one competitive video game, and then everyone develops their gaming team, then all potential military disputes are settled by a best of five match of the chosen game.

No wallhax.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yes it does work like that, and bombing them anyways is the counter.

Would be nice if we had an easier way to solve problems, but it's not realistic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Being detered by human shields means that more human shields are used. It's the same logic as refusing to pay ransom for kidnappers. The opposite would just encourage more kidnappings.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Benny just can't help him.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

your comment will be downvoted coz lemmy is full of left wingers who prefers to instill their lame ass rhetorics than see the fact that it was hamas and their asswipe cronies that handed israel the reason on a silver platter.

lets not forget,these hamas terrorist supporters had no qualms using civilians as shields,israel just decided to even the playong field.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You don't think they're well past evening the playing field by now?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's not about winning the fight, it's about ensuring they are never considered a viable target again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

israel lost the plot,that much is certain.

as of now,hamas handed israel the golden key and israel will not hesitate to use it to the fullest.

genocide or not,until hamas is exterminated,israel will not face any consequences for their actions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At what point should they have consequences? They can't keep bombing civilians without consequence

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stop pushing this BS to justify Israel's Genocide. On the subject of Human Shields, there are some independent reports for past conflicts of Hamas jeopardizing the safety of civilians via Rocket fire in dense urban areas, two instances during Oct 7th, but no independent verification since then so far. None of which absolve Israel of the crime of targeting civilians under international law:

Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields: IDF uses Human Shields, including Children (2013 Report), and in the latest war Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If the only thing stopping you from doing war crimes is a reason then your a scumbag.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's what so many are unwilling to aknowledge. Civilian deaths are only issue for the western nations. Not to these extremists. Being martyred lands them into heaven. Not only is this a non-issue for them but it's actually a good thing. They get to heaven and western media will slam Israel for it. Win-win.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Oh no, people are willing to die for their homes? Craaaaaazy.

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