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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20788199

Jessica Corbett
Sep 27, 2024

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just war crime after war crime at this point.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

And why not? He has virtually unlimited U.S. weapons as well as bi-partisan support from U.S. politicians. It's as though we're just setting our attack dog loose on everyone.

It's fucking astonishing that we have any relationship with Israel at all these days. The U.S. gets absolutely nothing out of this one-sided relationship.

Israel offers us:

-No unique strategic military position (we have that area covered already).

-No high-value industrial benefits (no natural resources or unique trade).

-No military arsenal or manpower support (their arsenal comes from us and their personnel is quite limited).

It's time to let them make friends with their neighbors on their own. They don't need us to do that and we sure as fuck don't need them.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Hacking and Blackmail are Israeli strengths. The two most common theories I hear are that that elected officials are impressed with the Israeli hacking capabilities and rather keep them on our side, or they are actively exploiting those capabilities to bend politicians to their will. Seeing how Israel operates in public with innocent civilians it seems rather obvious our predicament.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But they do have AIPAC, which likes to pedal its influence into local US politics.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Agreed! (Emphasis on the "greed")

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Main thing the US gets from Israel is Market Capital Export.

Israel accounts for what, like 30-40% of all recent American acquired startups?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Do you have a source for this?

My understanding is the primary trade between the U.S and Israel is diamonds. We each export over $1B worth of diamonds and also each import over $1B worth of diamonds between one another. In the past year, the U.S. imported about half a billion dollars more from Israel than it exported to Israel (again mostly diamonds in both directions).

The diamond trade between our countries does not justify our participation in unnecessary wars (or genocides) in my opinion. It seems unlikely to be the reason we are so committed to this relationship. I think AIPAC's financial involvement in our elections represents a much bigger reason we support Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons really says it all. The US is planning to let Netanyahu bomb everything he wants. When they strike back in kind the US will use it as a pretense send in troops to start a war with Iran.

A smart move by Netanyahu. He knows he needs to get rid of Iran or they will outpace Israel. Now that Israel fully controls America this is the time to start their war with Iran with impunity.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons

Wasn't this before the bombing?

Edit: source

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

One day before the bombing of Nasrallah (with advance knowledge and US cooperation). But after Israel started their recent Lebanon bombing campaign.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

They don't fully control America though. Most of us didn't even realize the actual situation until this year. The Palestinians just got lumped in under terrorism and that was that. The new media exposure is turning that around. If you look at our response to apartheid in South Africa it's tracking pretty closely. The halls of power didn't want to care and the people forced them to care.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The worst part is the behavior of Netanyahu's Israel is making people sympathetic to facism and Nazism, something unseen since the 1930s.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

it's quite easy to detest Nazis and Zionists.

very similar ideologies

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Everything the US does starts to make sense when you realize the US government is fully owned by lobbyists and wealthy donors. The Military Industrial Complex is a trillion dollar for-profit industry with the deepest pockets in the world. The capitalists who profit from it effectively own our country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Israel does not "fully control" America (literally an antisemitic conspiracy theory).

It is literally the other way around: The US controls Israel and has the power to make them stop their genocide but chooses to send them more waepons to use for more war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I really don't like french cheese. Am I racist with the french for that?

I really think that Germany has too much power over EU. Does this make me racist with Germans?

I understand some antisemitic may use war as a way to spread their idepology but the opposite is not true.

One person may disagree with the geopolic of this war without having any issue with the citizens of a country involved

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I really don't like french cheese. Am I racist with the french for that?

No

I really think that Germany has too much power over EU. Does this make me racist with Germans?

Germany is the country with the most seats in the EU parliament. The influence of germany is not a conspiracy theory, but a fact, therefore: No

Are Israeli politicians members of congress ? Or the house ? Ok, so maybe the comparison is bullshit.

One person may disagree with the geopolic of this war without having any issue with the citizens of a country involved

Yes, correct.

Not sure what that has to do with the fact that America is on the side of genocide of its own free will instead of being secretly controlled by Israel into being on the side of genocide 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago

Best I can do is giving him more bombs

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The companies making military weapons and gear for Israel can be found here according to AFSC.

The US has committed grants to Israel to buy weapons through 2028. It's benefiting the above corporations. While not all US based, it still is just another example of our corporate overlords fiucking the world over for profits).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Is there somewhere they are separated by country? Would be helpful to people who want to know what they should demonstrate against in their country.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Residential buildings that Hezbollah intentionally set up a headquarters in the basement of.

Thats already a war crime by Hezbollah.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Firstly, being the second one to commit a war crime does not make the act of doing so any less heinous.

Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you're basing that on, or is it just Israel's word you're taking? Because we know for a fact that Israel bombed civilians, and as far as I've seen, it's just hearsay that they were targeting actual Hezbollah members. On the other hand, we do know for fact that they've used this justification falsely before, so I'm disinclined to believe anything they say, frankly.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago

You want evidence?? Are you some kind of antisemite?? /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you're basing that on, or is it just Israel's word you're taking?

I mean, high ranking Hezbollah members do keep dying in these strikes, possibly including Nasrallah in this latest one. Sure Israel are still dicks for accepting the levels of civilian casualties that come along with it but the strikes do seem to be hitting actual targets.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The targets (so far):

Israel killed more than 700 people, including 50 children and 94 women, in air strikes it conducted across Lebanon since September 23.

At least 1,835 Lebanese people were wounded in the attacks, the country’s Ministry of Public Health said.

In addition to the entire genocide still going on in Gaza and ramping up in the West Bank

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It's literally terrorist 101 to use human shields. This tactic has been used by every insurgency in the last hundred years.

It's why it was added as a war crime.

As for the second one to commit a war crime. If you follow the rules, but your enemy doesn't, you will lose. This is the international equivalent of the bunch buggy no punch back bullshit that let's people hit you with no retaliation.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Repeating the same lies "human shields" and "terrorist" doesn't make it true.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

What about repeating the Truth? Because that's what he's actually doing.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The IDF uses Palestinians as human shields.

There are literal videos of this.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So Isrealis are terrorists? We have actual video of them using human shields.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, it's asymmetrical warfare. It works like that. You want everyone to line up in straight lines across a football field and take turns firing?

I purpose we have all the world's nations choose one competitive video game, and then everyone develops their gaming team, then all potential military disputes are settled by a best of five match of the chosen game.

No wallhax.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Being detered by human shields means that more human shields are used. It's the same logic as refusing to pay ransom for kidnappers. The opposite would just encourage more kidnappings.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Benny just can't help him.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

your comment will be downvoted coz lemmy is full of left wingers who prefers to instill their lame ass rhetorics than see the fact that it was hamas and their asswipe cronies that handed israel the reason on a silver platter.

lets not forget,these hamas terrorist supporters had no qualms using civilians as shields,israel just decided to even the playong field.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (18 children)

You don't think they're well past evening the playing field by now?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Stop pushing this BS to justify Israel's Genocide. On the subject of Human Shields, there are some independent reports for past conflicts of Hamas jeopardizing the safety of civilians via Rocket fire in dense urban areas, two instances during Oct 7th, but no independent verification since then so far. None of which absolve Israel of the crime of targeting civilians under international law:

Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields: IDF uses Human Shields, including Children (2013 Report), and in the latest war Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If the only thing stopping you from doing war crimes is a reason then your a scumbag.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (7 children)

That's what so many are unwilling to aknowledge. Civilian deaths are only issue for the western nations. Not to these extremists. Being martyred lands them into heaven. Not only is this a non-issue for them but it's actually a good thing. They get to heaven and western media will slam Israel for it. Win-win.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Reagab stopped them from doing this exact same thing 40 years ago. Anyone still gonna say this administration isn't more Zionist than usual?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Hasn't every administration slowed them down except for Biden's?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Trump. Obama was the last one to hold them accountable for anything.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

He’s dead. Article states he lived.

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