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[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 191 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Think most people are more interested in what Larian is cooking up, the IP barely matters.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah anyone apart from Larian making BG4 is basically fucked. Maybe if they wait 5-10 years and a studio with an established brand comes in, but that isn't what's going to happen.

Prior to BG3 I held BG1&2 somewhere in the top 5 games of all time. BG3 had an impossible bar to meet and they not only met it, but far surpassed it.

I'm genuinely sad at whatever BG4 releases as. It's like someone who loved Diablo 1&2 looking at Diablo 3&4. Diablo 3 was a shell of Diablo 2 and I literally just had to check if Diablo 4 was a released game. Maybe it's fun to someone, but I've completely checked out of the series.

So here's to BG4, BG:TCG, & BG:Mobile, shells of the greatness that came before them.

[–] Ilflish@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

~~Oblivion~~ Obsidian is the only other company that can hold expectations currently

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. This headline read as "Interested investors want to throw money at someone because BG3 did so well and then demand they release a half finished product so they can meet their quarterly financial date."

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think people are sort of over wotc ever since the OGL fiasco, plus milking mtg for all it's worth. This is probably a result.

[–] Cyberspark@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)

You'd be surprised how many people don't know about that or think everything is fine now.

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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I'm in the opposite group. I don't care for Larian's games (though I wish them the best) and I was very let down when they made the latest Baldur's Gate.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Don't think people should downvote you for this opinion, especially with you even being respectful about it.

I had a good time with BG3 (though I'm less high on it than most people), but at the end of the day it's clearly a Larian-game. If you didn't like the Divinity series you probably won't enjoy BG3, and if you had hoped for a BG 1&2 feel, you would probably be a bit let down.

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[–] Cyberspark@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why you're being down voted, it's a reasonable opinion to have if you don't like their games. I feel the same about the originals. I tried them and respect them a lot, but they're just not for me.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

BG3 has insane fanboys who don't accept any criticism of it. It makes it difficult to review games any more

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not how IP holders think. Their ego ruins our fun.

[–] MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think Paizo would be a good collab. Personally I'd love to see Larian do something with Starfinder.

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[–] Goblin_Mode@ttrpg.network 88 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
  1. Old series that has a decent following of mostly niche dedicated fans is left to sit without a new installment for many years.

  2. New title is announced. It's sells gang-busters and flips the community on its head.

  3. Corporate Executives prioritize short term profits and begin planning a quick and easy cash grab. !

  4. Second new installment comes out. It is a shell of the previous title with the soul sucked clean out.

  5. Fans are dissapointed and outside of a small niche following the game series falls into obscurity.

  6. Repeat.

! we are here right now

Look.. Maybe BG4 will be good. But after watching this exact cycle play out over and over again for the past decade I'm not sure how you can expect anything else.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

When will the business world realize that anything business majors are given control of turns to shit. Like I know that it's not impossible for a AAA game to be good but I also know that most companies that can handle that kind of a budget are run by people who just think gamers love throwing money at anything labeled "video game", proved by so many out of touch quotes.

Like the BlizzCon "don't you have phones?" showed that Blizzard didn't even realize that their main demographic and shitty f2p phone games didn't have much overlap.

Or EA's "sense of satisfaction" was transparent when they give a paid path to skip a ridiculously tuned grind.

Or Ubisoft's "AAAA" said they hadn't even noticed that "AAA" was starting to be considered synonymous with "shit".

The funny part is that they aren't even wrong about the potential to make a lot of money from video games, it's just not by using business major tricks to extract the maximum short term gains or approaching making a video game by thinking about how to make the most money from it.

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[–] betz24 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

BG4 is going to be BGOnline 😂

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but it's a straight terrible port from a mobile game with a solid gacha foundation and Baldur's Gate skins tacked on. Also you need to subscribe and pay a weekly fee to get access to the premium lockboxes that may or may not (spoiler: they do not) give you the characters/skins/whatever that you actually came for. Everything is time-gated unless you pay more of the premium currency to be allowed to grind more for a chance that won't proc anyway unless you go into debt to buy enough crates.

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[–] Conyak@lemmy.tf 24 points 11 months ago

I’m good. Not really interested in supporting Hasbro after all that’s happened since BG3 released.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

BG2 was a huge game too, and it took 25 years for a sequel.

They're not going to pick a studio and crank out bg4 in just a couple years.

I'll be surprised if it takes less than a decade.

[–] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

WOTC can put the name "Baldurs Gate 4" on whatever they want. They could make a Farmville clone in 2 months and release it as "Baldurs Gate 4" if they want. They own the copyright.

It just won't be good.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

But it'll probably sell decently well.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The problem is that Hasbro is desperately trying to make more money from WotC. But fairly recent actions indicate that they don't have players' best interests at heart. They fired all the contacts that Larian worked with. So nobody is left who has even a modicum of insight into how BG3 was done so well.

I fear several cheap cash grabs are in store for us. The first will probably be a quick and dirty DLC that will come out in a year or two.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, cranking out another entry to capitalize on BG3's success would be a terrible move. I'm so glad Hasbro/WotC are not known for making terrible moves. That would be so unlike them to trade in goodwill for short-term profits.

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[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It took less than 2 years to release BG2 after BG1. In the meantime Bioware licensed Infinity Engine to Black Isle who released Planescape Torment and Icewind Dale one year apart.

It took Larian 6 years to develop BG3 after Divinity 2. They moved on to their new game but that engine and assets could be similarily licensed to other studios to churn out some games using similar or simplified formula.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I believe the engine is larian's

[–] nman90@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Definitely is. Try playing Divinity 2 and you will realize it's the exact same engine just with a modified ruleset to match Baldurs gate more. I actually prefer Divinity, they just have more freedom as far as setting and the ruleset than a liscensed ip owned by another company

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[–] necromancyr@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So...a new Dark Alliance game is up next?

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Okay. I mean that's fine but I won't be buying shit until after it comes out and has reviews.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It's gonna be blizzard isn't it...

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