I feel like this tells a lot about the state of the society we have where most people can't be what they want to be if they want to also make a living
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ADHD is not a personal problem, it's a socioeconomic problem.
I mean it's both. Not being able to do your chores is bad no matter the society.
And it's bad because they're "chores" who "need to be done". In a different structure which recognised the needs of ADHD people those chores would never have been assigned to you in the first place.
I don't think dishes and laundry are a socio-economic problem unless you're implying all ADHD people should always be able to afford household help and assistance. Plenty of people with disabilities and challenges have to deal with chores as a function of being alive, including ADHD people. It's a part of existence that your clothes will need washing, trash will need to be taken out, and I agree that not doing them is a bad thing. The timetable, the consequences of inaction, the associated stress, all of that can be variable and that is where flexibility should be given, but ffs ADHD people should and need to do chores too.
Yes, I think adhd people who can't do housechores should have assistance for it, and in turn they would provide what they can to society. If that is not possible because "they can't afford it" then the system that requires monetary compensation is at fault.
There's plenty of people who like doing chores and don't like doing what adhd people are doing. These two groups can collaborate.
I don’t disagree with you, but I don’t see that happening for a while.
It’s hard enough to get people to say that people deserve to have food, water, and shelter.
Although this does sound like a great “Be the change you want to see in the world.” thing!
You could start a Facebook group or something in your town, make it like a co-op thing!
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Would I hate an ideal world where people with bad ADHD have people to cook and clean for them? No, but it's not social injustice; just life. It's a personal problem in the same way losing an arm is a personal problem; to an extent society has a responsibility to help you cope with it, but it still sucks to lose an arm.
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No. You don't get to deny the very real PERSONAL harm done by this condition. No amount of socioeconomic changes could ever stop the personal problems.
Nobody denies ADHD causes personal harm. But the cause of that harm is the rigid society not being facilitating to people with ADHD.
Societies are inherently rigid. Getting one person to change takes a hell of a lot less time and effort than getting 200 million of them to change.
Yes which is why millions of neurodivergent people mask to fit in and suffer as a result. What's your point?
I think it's a personal problem too, because the human condition itself demands certain tasks that we might struggle with, but I absolutely understand what you're saying.
Despite my positives with ADHD, like being able to flip between constant emergencies all day, and getting constant praise for my work, my last job was threatening to fire me because they noticed I was 1 minute (literally 60 seconds) late a few times.
Good riddance to 'em, they had no idea how much effort it took to get within that margin with traffic patterns that change literally every day. They were also okay with getting there ridiculously early and jusy idling their SUVs in the heat until they could go in. Clown world.
I find that's somewhat of a norm systematically. Society will think it's "fair" to hold everyone to a standard of constant ridiculous feats of executive function that have no tangible effect on outcomes, measured by raw numbers at face value, and use this "data" to determine your worth as a person.
Despite my positives with ADHD, like being able to flip between constant emergencies all day, and getting constant praise for my work, my last job was threatening to fire me because they noticed I was 1 minute (literally 60 seconds) late a few times.
yes, but this a very clear example of what exactly I'm saying, no? This is not a requirement of human nature or something. It's just an idiot boss.
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Like how else is it supposed to work currently? Who wants to deal with people's trash? Who wants to transport people around at 4 am in his bus AND have to deal with the shit attitude of people on top? Etc.
Some people like doing work like that, the thing is just that these jobs are treated like trash and underpaid
You know, that’s a great point. I’d totally do a “shit job” if it paid decent and be a ton happier. I’m trying to organize and lead and only doing it for the money, and I hate it.
Yup. There's an appeal to a simple job that you can just do and no larger stress beyond the physical. But if that job involves waste of assorted kind, then you gotta pay enough and treat people with dignity.
I enjoyed working as a dishwasher, but I'm 6'3 so my back hated it.
Everything in this world was made for someone at least 6 inches shorter than me.
For me it's more of a neck problem usually when I'm cooking or washing dishes and I'm only 6'
Some people like doing work like that
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Liking something and settling for something are very different things. Most of society is built up around excellence and providing those who can with opportunities to do so.
The big issue with this is that it can make tons of people feel guilty for never living up to their aspirations. Mediocrity is frowned upon yet it's the majority of the bell curve.
Go to a job you don't hate, don't hurt others, enjoy life when you can.
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We need to compensate people well for this sort of work. There are a lot of people doing this work right now who are not compensated fairly for this work.
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But only "pretty good"! Which sounds neat but that is just one step above "foundational" and good luck getting to mastery after skipping that, and finding the whole proposition a bunch of bullshit and really pretty good is enough, let's do the next thing and the next until we lose a few more forgotten "pretty goods" for lack of practice!
Why you gotta attack me like that?
;-)
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Joke's on me I guess; I'm also dogshit at things I want to do!
Try “we enjoy things we dont suck at”
Regardless of how few things i believe this is true for most people.
Oh well, at least I can rotate between behavioral addictions for constant distraction
I feel personally attacked.
If you don't care about it then you shouldn't be investing your (valuable, finite) attention in it.
So all that weak stuff, be slackful about it. Squeak by on the halfassed minimum.
And the stuff that matters, do it perfectly.
That's what every great artist/inventor/scientist/philosopher/etc has done since forever.
Some of that "weak stuff" includes things like:
- Basic Hygine.
- Maintain relationships you care about but struggle with.
- Focusing on a conversation that is interesting or has valuable information you need but drift off after 30 seconds because you notice something in the background, a misplaced hair on their face, or your brain over corrects and you get stuck in the "must focus" internal mantra.
- Remembering to eat instead of hyper focusing on a project and time blindness kicks in and it 14 hours later.
- So-man-other-things.
ADHD is a fucking struggle mate. And your advice is oblivious to the realities of the struggles and life.
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Yeah, because clearly everyone without an ADHD diagnosis is a calm competent person with their life together. /s