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The Biden administration last week put a hold on a shipment of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel, two Israeli officials told Axios.

Why it matters: It is the first time since the Oct. 7 attack that the U.S. has stopped a weapons shipment intended for the Israeli military. The incident raised serious concerns inside the Israeli government and sent officials scrambling to understand why the shipment was held, Israeli officials said. President Biden is facing sharp criticism among Americans who oppose his support of Israel. The administration in February asked Israel to provide assurances that U.S.-made weapons were being used by Israel Defense Forces in Gaza in accordance with international law. Israel provided a signed letter of assurances in March.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like protesting still works.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let’s hope all of this diplomacy also works.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (9 children)

We've been shipping Israel ammo to kill Palestinians for over half a year. We only now stopped one shipment. Think about that.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago

Best time to stop was yesterday, second best time is today.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’ve been shipping Israel ammo to kill Palestinians for decades

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It was initially for defense after a massacre when the Iron Dome was breached in October. That was completely justified support. The munitions sold since Netanyahu began indiscriminately killing Palestinians are not.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.

And during that very long time, Eisenhower, Johnson, Ford, Nixon, Regan, Clinton, both Bushes, Carter, Obama, Trump and until recently Biden didn’t stop selling Israel weapons.

And now Biden has started to cut them off.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reagan held up arms shipments to Israel on multiple occasions.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

He did not. He withheld all aid from Israel, and then provided military aid under the agreement that they’d use it to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon. That was after he sold the weapons to Iran in the Iran-Contra scandal that ended up in the hands of Hezbollah.

The man literally put this shit pot on the stove and started stirring. Do not glorify his actions in this conflict.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The previous attacks during the Biden administration were attempted attacks on Hamas, not attacks directed at Palestinians. If Israel always wanted to kill all Palestinians, that would’ve been done in 1985 when this conflict started. Netanyahu has been using the attack on Oct. 7 to justify the shift in tactics from targeting Hamas to “we can’t tell them apart.”

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hamas isn't even in the West Bank yet Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered there in 2022, while clearly marked as a journalist. There are so many incidents I could pull up as examples of indiscriminate killings but your ignorance is not worth my time.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (13 children)
  1. No, all the children shot during the March of Return were not Hamas, nor were the thousands killed before 2006.

  2. Palestinians have a right to resist. Israel, being an illegitimate settler apartheid state, has no such right. Attacks on Hamas are not justified.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Correct. The Great March of Return was during the Trump Administration. The thread commenter was talking about the last six months of munitions supplied to Israel. Maybe this is the start of change.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's possible to justify support for apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Agreed. It’s been the standard since Israel was conceived in 1948, but there are a lot more liberal people in Israel now. The ultra-orthodox make up only 13% now, and those are the conservatives that got Netanyahu into power. He only has a 15% approval rating since January, and there have been massive protests since March. Let’s hope they do the right thing with the next election and allow Palestinians access to their holy land.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Netanyahu's opposition are even more openly fascist. There is no meaningful left in Israel.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds like ignorant nationalism. I have Israeli-American friends that describe the party very differently. I may believe you if you could substantiate it with proof of their fascist left wing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The very fact that their "left" still wants an apartheid state! There's no Israeli left party that wants to give equal rights to Palestinians and return their homes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

They don’t. A large faction of Israel’s left wing believes in one-state. 20% of Israeli Jews believe in a one state solution, as do most Arab/Palestian Israelis. It’s been growing as time passes and the older generations die.

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Summary%20Report_%20English_Joint%20Poll%2024%20Jan%202023.pdf

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the equivalent of someone taking your house and throwing you in the basement and then when you come out and attack decades later they fight back and say its for self defense. Please.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

So Native Americans should just start murdering Americans until they leave? One state is the only equitable solution at this point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  1. I'm not against a one state solution
  2. Stolen land/property should be given back
  3. Your example is disanalgous, run the clock back to when the colonies were being formed. If a colonist from Europe came and took their house or the land they use or live on they have every right to fight back.
  4. If a colonist attacks me and kills my family I have a right to fight back. If I fight back then its not self defense for them but for me.
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was never justified and this didn't start that day

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Great, now stop all money and weapons to Israel entirely. Every day Biden doesn't do this we get closer to a criminal orange man as president.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (8 children)

While I’d love to see that, it would be unprecedented in the history of US-Israel relations. If it does happen at all, it will definitely come slowly.

Also, you may want to stop putting election abstinence out there as a consequence. We’re all aware that Trump will make things worse for Palestinians as well as everyone who isn’t a rich white American industrialist male.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just making sure everyone knows what the consequence is, whether I like it or not. It's Biden's job to do right by the people who voted for him no matter how bad the alternative may be.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His job is to represent all Americans, not just Democrats. Many Republicans and Evangelicals believe in supporting Israel in eradicating Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So is Trump's job to represent all Americans, even Democrats? Sure as hell doesn't fucking feel so.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s the funny thing about being President. They tend to do a better job when they’ve held office before. It turns out that real estate con men and actors do a pretty terrible job of representing the average American.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But what about the profits? You can't go around not profiting just because a few thousand children are being killed, disfigured and orphaned! It's like you don't understand neoliberalism at all.

Sarcasm aside, stopping the money and weapons isn't enough to stop the genocide because Israel never needed any of it in the first place. But if you funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to defence contractors, there's nothing the US government won't consent to.

Orange man won't be any different. He's not even trying to pretend it's not a genocide, just coming out and saying Israel should "finish the problem".

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It took 35,000 lives for the US to finally do this?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Nah. That’s happened before, and everything just continued. It took nationwide protests all over the news, as well as several outspoken members of Congress to make this happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Considering Biden repealed his settler sanctions, I'd actually bet this eventually gets approved after Israel promises to pay shipping fees in exchange for breaking the SLA stating they can't do a genocide

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You have that reversed. Trump repealed the 50-year-old sanctions on Israel settling on Palestinian territory. Biden restored it.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-settlements-illegitimate-palestine-biden-rescind-law-0bed7cf5d6f98012193e9f5075eb719a

Although Netanyahu was so grateful for Trump’s favor, he named a town after him in Golan Heights.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Keep doing good work. Democracy can’t let the rat fucking provocateurs win.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Thanks. Trying to provide factual sources to discredit disinformation is an uphill battle. There sure is a lot of it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Not those sanctions lol, I was talking about the recent ones a few months ago.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-issue-order-targeting-jewish-settler-violence-wbank-politico-2024-02-01/

four Israeli men it accused of being involved in settler violence in the West Bank,

Which he half walked back on

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-says-israeli-banks-dont-have-to-close-accounts-of-sanctioned-settlers/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Indeed. I have no faith this hold will actually hold for long, given how many times they'd lied or misled about actions they were willing to take.

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