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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 49 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world. I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation. When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town, and as an older man, I tried to change my family. Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world."

Start with self-love friends, and then extend that love to the people closest to you.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 10 months ago (4 children)

While there's some truth to that, I want to see self-love stop a fascist pogrom.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Also this whole "love yourself first" is nothing but another divisive distraction - keep people individualised rather than coming together as a community, and also perpetuate the idea that our problems are personal rather than systemic.

I don't love myself, don't think I ever have, don't think I ever will, yet I don't see how that would or should stop me from fighting fascism.

If anything, I'm able to recognise that in large part, if not entirely, my feelings come down to the world we live in and how, as an "other" in many categories, my life is seen as both worthless and also somehow such a thereat that, in both cases, it needs to be destroyed, and the idea that I shouldn't act until I manage to "get over" all of that (and potentially get comfortable enough, or at least accept, the status quo), is beyond ridiculous. In reality it's the exact opposite - I must act if there is any hope for others to have a world where they don't feel like I and so many others are made to, because not loving myself has no bearing on my wanting good for others (and no, they don't have to be "loved ones", I don't even have to know them, that's the point of wanting a better society for everyone).

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also this whole "love yourself first" is nothing but another divisive distraction - keep people individualised rather than coming together as a community, and also perpetuate the idea that our problems are personal rather than systemic.

Or it's just a way to contract a fairly simple truth, that a person who has their shit together can organize and commit to mutual aid to a degree than someone who doesn't cannot.

You gotta know how to swim before trying to help others from drowning.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fighting fascism is getting my shit together (if you'd bothered reading past that first sentence you might actually hear that my "shit" being the way it is is down to systemic issues, and no amount of "self work" can "get it together").

Also what's the point of trying to "swim" if you're in a toxic pond? If we're going to drag the metaphor out - get out of the fucking pond, help those around you out, so together you can all turn off the sewage pipe, and then get to cleaning up each other, and the pond. That is self care.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Fighting fascism is getting my shit together (if you'd bothered reading past that first sentence you might actually hear that my "shit" being the way it is is down to systemic issues, and no amount of "self work" can "get it together").

The neat thing about generalities such as "love yourself first" or "you have to learn to swim before you help others from drowning" is that they aren't specified towards anyone's specific circumstances......

It seems that you are taking a general statement and making them all about your specific life circumstances, which to be honest seem fairly melodramatic.

my "shit" being the way it is is down to systemic issues, and no amount of "self work" can "get it together").

Lots of us deal with systemic issues, you're not the only minority in the US. Plenty of us still work to overcome the systemic abuse handed down to us by an uncaring or even malevolent state.

get out of the fucking pond, help those around you out, so together you can all turn off the sewage pipe, and then get to cleaning up each other, and the pond. That is self care.

No one is saying you should be a self centered ass who doesn't help or care about anyone else. Just that people are fragile beings that need to be able to acknowledge they aren't a bottomless well of praxis.

Lots of people burn themselves out of the leftist movement, mainly by throwing the entirety of their effort towards a goal for a year or two and then becoming bitter or jaded that their hard work is not only unappreciated, but ineffective.

Revolution is a marathon, not a sprint. You have to learn to pace yourself.

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[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Insisting that the first step must solve all your problems at once is how you fail to take a single step towards solving your problems.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The first step is to embrace the fact that we’re taking a long walk.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago
[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 9 points 10 months ago

Enough masturbation could solve that

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[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck does self love have to do with political violence.

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[–] sverit@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Relevant Owlturd/Shencomix comic

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[–] Lavitz@lemmings.world 36 points 10 months ago

I was 19 when I realized my parents were raised to be authoritarians. My grandparents would've been considered racists even in their time and both my mom and dad were raised in a little farm town. My parents are good people and generally want to do the right thing but explaining this to them and trying to make them aware of their biases has been a full time job.

I will not show the same love and respect to your parents. Go do your jobs so we don't need step 2.

-Luigi

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, you need to realize your loved ones, and everything else you love is in danger by fascism, then use the power of love towards those things to gain inspiration in your fight against fascism.

If you ask: "gamergate" and similar things are just temporary things, usually just distractions from how capitalism decays art and "geek culture", and of course a recruitment tool. But in reality, you would be lucky, if you could play some state-sponsored games on your choice of platform, and would likely have to parttake in some "book burning type of event".

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

q aint anywhere near c bro, how'd you do that

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dunno though... The power of love is a curious thing.

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

I've heard that it can cause some men to weep and others to sing.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this is a great post. i think people have trouble understanding that great acts of violence can be born out of love for humanity. there are people in society that are threats to humanity. those people cannot be saved by love. many powerful positions are only achievable by people who lack empathy.

many people also have a hard time understanding that goose and gander arguments only confuse simple truths. we are not all equal. just because you use the same tools that evil uses does not make you evil. evil will use those tools regardless of your morals. just because you choose the high road doesn't mean that evil will do the same.

we have an obligation as wardens of this world to insure that we don't destroy it. that might mean weeding out those of us that would do irreparable harm.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

As everyone who's ever read 8-Bit Theater knows, love is in fact the most powerful force in the universe when focused into a coherent arcane energy beam of absolute magical destruction.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm fairly anti-violence but I know it's inevitable.

The world has a lot of social issues, and it's going to take a complete upheaval before people become capable of empathizing with each other again.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The thing is it's actually not inevitable. I suggest you read "How Civil Wars Start and How to Stop Them," which is about exactly what it says it's about.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not necessarily thinking about just civil wars, although that is what the meme is about.

People are divided in more ways than just political view points. There's a growing inequality that could potentially lead to a revolution of sorts, if people are willing. I can think of a handful of other issues that might lead to similar outcomes.

I appreciate the recommendation though, I'll try to give it a read at some point.

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[–] PanoptiDon@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Peace is never an option with fascism

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What a twist! Really had me on the edge of my seat!

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[–] Lath@kbin.earth 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This reminds me of the story from some time back about a family calling emergency services because their disabled kid has a meltdown and was being violent. Cops showed up, kid went after one of them with a gardening tool, so the other one shot him.

I think it can be used as an example of why jumping from chapter 1 to chapter 2 isn't all that helpful.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago (3 children)

counterpoint: a disabled child is not a fascist

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Also counterpoint: cops are not antifascist so the OP just made a completely irrelevant comment.

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I need to upvote this like a million more times... Jfc.. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 6 points 10 months ago

But how do you know if a fascist isn't a disabled child?

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 24 points 10 months ago (12 children)

No that's an example of ACAB. The cops are the fascists

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You know that old saying, violence is always the answer. /s

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If history is our guide, when fascism is the question, violence is always the answer. Never in history has unchecked conservatism been defeated by pacifism.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nonviolent protests are an appeal to humanity or a threat of violence. If your opponent refuses to have humanity and you’re unwilling to escalate to violence it will not work.

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[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Violence might not always be the correct answer, but it is an answer.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Super based.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This nonviolent stuff'll get you killed.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It's important for two reasons

First to build support and legimize a cause. if politicians actually listen then the violence would not have been justified yet Exemplified by schools that divested from israel without calling in the cops first.

Second it is the only way a movement can grow mainstream before turning to violence.The Black Panthers got so many members because MLK did his non violent thing for years.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Some men, you just can't reach

[–] darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

When you want to paint left-leaning people as violent, tell them they have no choice.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

By the time it comes to violence, you've already lost the game.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

Take a look at budget market Buddha over here...

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Bilbo getting senselessly beaten by goblins: "You know I could fight back, but that's just adding more violence."

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yup, the allies totally lost WW2. If only they showed Hitler love instead surely he would have stopped with the genocide.

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[–] PanoptiDon@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Source: Luigi

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Vote for Biden: 15,000 dead children by his aid.

The founding fathers of this country would be disgusted with your apathy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

The founding fathers would be applauding, lol. They were slave owning Capitalists.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago
  1. Fuck those chumps, this country isn't their problem any more
  2. The only way this country stops sucking so bad is if lefties get very serious in a big way
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