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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 94 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

was posted 3 days ago in /c/Technology, here :
https://lemmy.world/post/15468260
what they did :

"Our product takes in a full blow of air and separates it," said team member Leen Alfaoury. "Some of that air comes out as it is, and part of it comes out shifted. The combination of these two sections of the air makes the blower less noisy."

... "It ultimately dampens the sound as it leaves, but it keeps all that force, which is the beauty of it."

Their design cuts the most shrill and annoying frequencies by about 12 decibels, which all but removes them, making them 94% quieter.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

about 12 decibels, which all but removes them, making them 94% quieter.

This "conversion" from decibel to per cent is more than ridiculous.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Well, 93.7% to be more exact. Did you recalculate it yourself the same i did ?

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[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Just saying it doesn’t decrease the power is a bold claim without providing anything technical to support it.

I’ve read multiple articles and videos and yet this very crucial information is intentionally not included.

The claims are false, you can’t suppress or mute something with a tradeoff, unless they have somehow magically figured out physics anomalies. Would love to see some proof of this claim it doesn’t decrease power output.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 59 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Are you saying novel mechanical engineering designs are impossible? That the mechanism of a leaf blower is so near perfection, that a well funded team of 4 mechanical engineering students could not, without VIOLATING THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, have simply found a better mechanism?

I agree with your "show me the numbers" critique, but I find your complete disregard of what may be a better answer without any data at all to be equally foolhardy.

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[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

MAKE GAS LANDSCAPING TOOLS ILLEGAL

Give away free electric tools if they trade in their gas ones. It's so bad for health to be huffing 2 stroke fumes all day every day.

Edit, I realize that this is meant for a electric leaf blower since it would do fuck all for a gas one. Doesn't change my opinion about landscaping tools tho

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

"Electric leaf blowers are already far quieter than their gas-powered peers, but they still aren’t the kind of thing you’d like to hear first-thing on a Saturday morning. Looking to improve on the situation, a group of students from Johns Hopkins University have successfully designed a 3D printed add-on that manages to significantly reduce the noise generated by a modern electric leaf blower without compromising the amount of air it’s able to move."

First two sentences of the article.

[–] ThankYouVeryMuch@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't know mate, I wouldn't replace my electric tools–drills, grinders, saw... with gas ones. But these outdoors tools are a different kind of beast. I've only used an electric chainsaw and it was an absolute crap, maybe there are better ones but it was crappier than the smallest and shittiest gas chainsaws I've used, and a cord around you in that setting isn't great either.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

The problem with electric gardening tools is they aren't that feasible for contractors.

Batteries don't last long and take a long time to charge, so it's just not an option when you're working all day. Corded means at every location, you have to figure out outlets, extension cords, fuss with tangles and obstructions, etc.

If you're doing your own lawns, yeah, you can probably get into a workflow that works for you. But a lot of people hire out for landscaping.

[–] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Swappable batteries resolve this issue pretty well. The energy density is far from comparable, but if you're already hauling a van or trailer to the job site, then a dozen spare batteries isn't an issue.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Except being very expensive, wear out after a few years (at best), and being sensitive to being in the hot sun all day every day. All in a profession mostly worked by under privileged people where frugality is a necessity of life.

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Electric is so much quieter. They have them in Singapore

[–] CarlCook@feddit.de 27 points 10 months ago

The gardener in my last apartment replaced all of his powertools (mower, blower, trimmer, …) with electric ones powered by an accu-pack he carries on his back. This is an absolute game-changer! I could actually sit outside again and even do stuff for work, when he was there.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 18 points 10 months ago

This thing influence how air moves through it, so it would make electrics more silent too

[–] snail_hunter@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure when I saw the original post talking about the design, they said the students were only working with electric leaf blowers. So this was designed to make electric leaf blowers even quieter.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Why do leaf blowers exist in the first place?

[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 78 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And clean up after mowing.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I also use mine when starting a fire. Way easier than using a pot lid for stoking.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

So annoying twats can be annoying.

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[–] 0x0@programming.dev 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I still say replace them with rakes.

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying, but leaf blowers are also commonly used for cleaning up extra grass clippings from the roads, etc.

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[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

seems like snake oil. whe using my electric leaf blower all the noise sounds to be coming from the big fan at the top of the device and not the nozzle

[–] Lemonparty@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Now pretend your electric blower is actually a super loud and inefficient two stroke motor.

The movement of air isn't noisy, the motor is.

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[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

There’s no way this won’t affect the final CFM or Velocity of the air.

This would be no different than running it at a little less than 100% power, but wastes that energy instead.

Why else would they not provide any technical detail, even a wind velocity test would be huge FFS.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, it sounds like it slightly redirects only the air at the margins that contacts the blower tube, which reduces turbulence. The noise reduction is due to the decreased turbulence, not a reduction in airflow. If I had to guess, the actual reduction in airflow is probably negligible, and they don't describe it in more detail because they're trying to commercialize it

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So they could provide the testing data to prove it. Even the numbers, don’t need a full detailed video.

The lack of proof to their claims is concerning.

They’ve made a claim they should have known would need to be verified, eventually….. its bush league for that on its own.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You seem really worked up about these undergrads' project

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought having a conversation about the validity of their claims would be an okay thing to do in this community?

Or are you saying this place is for something else?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You demanding more evidence right now and saying these students' project "is concerning" is not having a conversation about the validity of their claims, it's just being petulant. Saying, "I'll be interested to see the specs" or "I'll keep an eye out for testing data before I believe this" would convey the same thing without coming off like an asshole

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They wont release anything because the design is being sold to black&decker, yay

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So it's taking some of the air out of the stream, slowing it down, and putting it back in the stream... How does this not affect the performance?

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[–] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why isn't there video of this yet? I didn't care at all what an article says. Show me the video

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's a video at the bottom of the article. https://youtu.be/ISgHpUDeLBw

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Somebody tell Kate Blanchett

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[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I'll wait until I can 3d print my own. I'm not paying for a hunk of plastic.

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