this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
295 points (100.0% liked)

News

27975 readers
3780 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
all 36 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 155 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Seems like such a contradicting message from a school that is supposed to encourage independent thinking.

Edit: colleges with large endowment funds seem like glorified businesses with conflicts of interest.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Harvard does not encourage independent thinking. Where would you get that impression?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Suppressing what was clearly a peaceful protest. Almost all these colleges have used the police and violence to escalate things and then blame the students for their inability to take criticism.

Edit: I think I misread your comment, I agree maybe they don’t encourage it, but should if they want to be considered a college.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago

Any college that refers to their graduates as “a [college name] man” clearly expects a large degree of conformity.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

"any institution with an endowment as large as Harvard's isn't a school, it's a hedge fund that offers classes, and should lose it's tax exempt status"... Sorry I forget who said it, and I'm paraphrasing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Just the 'Murican and Bri'ish ones.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

It's not about participation, but rather the socially unacceptable ways to express it. Come on, please be decent, others are here too.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So why was it socially unacceptable this time, but not when students were protesting South African Apartheid? Or Climate change? Or any number of the other divestments that have been successful without us even ever hearing about it?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

"Because the Palestinians aren't worth saving" - what other message are we to take away from this decision by Harvard?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

I know it seems weird to think about this now, but back when Mandela was being released, the conservative establishment was calling him a terrorist and insisting that we still needed to support the apartheid government In South Africa against terrorist communists like Mandela.

Reagan and Thatcher were both quite explicit about it.

So this really is nothing new. The Right is always going to back the powerful against the powerless, and will always come down hard on any person or group that challenges the "natural order".

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago

Here, here. Won't somebody think of the moderates, and their refined sensibilities? After all, they certainly didn't personally blow up aid trucks and hospitals in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is that sarcastic? Because Israel certainly isn't being decent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The rhetoric from the pro IDF bots have really gone off a cliff. They have no coherent argument at this point and has become extremely apparent. It seems the majority of comments now are just AI drivel.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

You may well ask: “Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?” You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word “tension.” I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

-two excerpts from MLK Jr's letter from Birmingham jail.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

the socially unacceptable ways to express it

What does that even mean?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I am the high king of Skyrim, you have questioned my decency by making such a statement, woe unto you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Good any protestors who support bigots don’t deserve a degree.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Trump supporters got degrees

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

well then bye bye to pro-natenyahu protestors

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Protesting against murdering people is not the same as supporting those people's beliefs. If someone doesn't like gay people it doesn't mean they all deserve death. That would be like a genocide or something

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

EXTREME DICK RIDING CONTEST

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

in a year nobody will even remember this even happened.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No Americans, you mean. I'm sure the Palestinians might occasionally have a thought about it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Only the ones that escaped already at this rate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

does not matter this has nothing to do with the Palestinians themself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Americans protesting absolutely has an impact on the Palestinians themselves. They see us, and they know we see them and what’s happening to them. There are tons of interviews with Palestinians saying how much they appreciate the solidarity, even if it hasn’t ended the war. A tiny drop of empathy can be incredibly powerful when bombs are falling all around you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

dude this is an article about Harvard university. people will not get degrees for something that will be forgotten in a year.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Harvard is dead. Fuck em. They’ve lost all my respect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I haven't been able to find any explanation from Harvard about who the specific students were, or why they were singled out for punishment. Does anybody know? Were they the leaders of the protest? Were they accused of specific acts that were considered more serious than what other students did? I saw one article that said two of them are Rhodes Scholars, but I can't find much more information.