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[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Seems like such a contradicting message from a school that is supposed to encourage independent thinking.

Edit: colleges with large endowment funds seem like glorified businesses with conflicts of interest.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Harvard does not encourage independent thinking. Where would you get that impression?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Suppressing what was clearly a peaceful protest. Almost all these colleges have used the police and violence to escalate things and then blame the students for their inability to take criticism.

Edit: I think I misread your comment, I agree maybe they don’t encourage it, but should if they want to be considered a college.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

Any college that refers to their graduates as “a [college name] man” clearly expects a large degree of conformity.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

"any institution with an endowment as large as Harvard's isn't a school, it's a hedge fund that offers classes, and should lose it's tax exempt status"... Sorry I forget who said it, and I'm paraphrasing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just the 'Murican and Bri'ish ones.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's not about participation, but rather the socially unacceptable ways to express it. Come on, please be decent, others are here too.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So why was it socially unacceptable this time, but not when students were protesting South African Apartheid? Or Climate change? Or any number of the other divestments that have been successful without us even ever hearing about it?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

"Because the Palestinians aren't worth saving" - what other message are we to take away from this decision by Harvard?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

I know it seems weird to think about this now, but back when Mandela was being released, the conservative establishment was calling him a terrorist and insisting that we still needed to support the apartheid government In South Africa against terrorist communists like Mandela.

Reagan and Thatcher were both quite explicit about it.

So this really is nothing new. The Right is always going to back the powerful against the powerless, and will always come down hard on any person or group that challenges the "natural order".

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago

Here, here. Won't somebody think of the moderates, and their refined sensibilities? After all, they certainly didn't personally blow up aid trucks and hospitals in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that sarcastic? Because Israel certainly isn't being decent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The rhetoric from the pro IDF bots have really gone off a cliff. They have no coherent argument at this point and has become extremely apparent. It seems the majority of comments now are just AI drivel.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

You may well ask: “Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?” You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word “tension.” I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

-two excerpts from MLK Jr's letter from Birmingham jail.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

the socially unacceptable ways to express it

What does that even mean?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I am the high king of Skyrim, you have questioned my decency by making such a statement, woe unto you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Good any protestors who support bigots don’t deserve a degree.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Trump supporters got degrees

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

well then bye bye to pro-natenyahu protestors

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Protesting against murdering people is not the same as supporting those people's beliefs. If someone doesn't like gay people it doesn't mean they all deserve death. That would be like a genocide or something

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

EXTREME DICK RIDING CONTEST

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in a year nobody will even remember this even happened.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No Americans, you mean. I'm sure the Palestinians might occasionally have a thought about it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Only the ones that escaped already at this rate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

does not matter this has nothing to do with the Palestinians themself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Americans protesting absolutely has an impact on the Palestinians themselves. They see us, and they know we see them and what’s happening to them. There are tons of interviews with Palestinians saying how much they appreciate the solidarity, even if it hasn’t ended the war. A tiny drop of empathy can be incredibly powerful when bombs are falling all around you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

dude this is an article about Harvard university. people will not get degrees for something that will be forgotten in a year.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Harvard is dead. Fuck em. They’ve lost all my respect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I haven't been able to find any explanation from Harvard about who the specific students were, or why they were singled out for punishment. Does anybody know? Were they the leaders of the protest? Were they accused of specific acts that were considered more serious than what other students did? I saw one article that said two of them are Rhodes Scholars, but I can't find much more information.