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considering the current state of the world and things like the resurgence of fascism and other authoritarian ideologies, do you think there is still a chance to avoid a new world war or now is unavoidable?

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You know it's bad when far right extremism is on the rise again in Germany...

[–] sxan@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And who will they pick to fight? The World!

[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

A Norm reference made this much less depressing, thank you.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Third time's the charm! /s

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

considering we have a record of over 6000 years of overlapping armed conflicts and wars, yes absolutely.

there has not been a single worldwide peaceful day for thousands of years.

it's not 100% sure the ones currently going on will be called world wars. maybe it will be a new one. there's always another war, unfortunately.

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It started in 2014 so yeah. We are just not yet to a point where America gets directly involved. We are doing the lend lease thing again.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Came here to say the same thing. Both US and EU: "this is not real, this is not a real war".
In their delusion, are helping Ukraine, but it's a half-ass help. How should a war look to be called a war? Tanks, Aircraft, ships, 1000km trench warfare, ballistic missiles - is that a war?

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago

Proxy war != world war

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's already underway.

China will attack Taiwan before Christmas. That'll likely be the flashpoint. That's been my two cents for over a year now.

North/South Korea going at it.

North Korea supplying Russia arms to fight Ukraine.

US okaying more and more, blurring NATO lines. NATO is basically involved in the Russia Ukraine war.

China and India appear to be buying Russia oil/gas still, keeping their war machine afloat. Amongst other financial vestments.

Then we have Israel pummeling Palestine. Iran attacking Israel. NATO countries don't agree about whether or not this is a genocide.

When China invades Taiwan, TSMC will shut down their facilities. The US has been pouring billions into semiconductor manufacturing on US soil, because when China invades Taiwan and tscm shuts down, Google, Microsoft, OpenAI, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, IBM, Meta, Amazon, and many more will be in hot water. Because of this, the US has an insane naval presence and alliance with Japan to protect the South China seas.

This is world war three. It's happening now.

[–] SrTobi@feddit.de 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What makes you think China will attack Taiwan before Christmas?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

I am 100% sure this is sabre rattling.

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I missed it but that article doesn't say anything about Christmas, December, or any actual timeline of when they plan to attack. Where does it say "before Christmas?"

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I didnt downvote ya there.

That was a quick Google result it might not be in that article. I just chose it because AP. There's dozens of articles about conversations between Xi and Biden.

The discourse is generally "By 2025" "in 2027" and "before 2030". Given the discourse and tension in the South China Sea, it looks very much like a "By 2025" situation. Just my bet. Ties into computational supremacy, embargos, TSMC, Taiwan reunification, and more.

[–] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Is there a remind me bot for lemmy?

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

@remindme@mstdn.social in 7 months

[–] remindme@mstdn.social 2 points 10 months ago

@irreticent Ok, I will remind you on Saturday Jan 11, 2025 at 2:55 AM PST.

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[–] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

@remindme@mstdn.social on December 24, 2024.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

It's always avoidable. It's also still quite possible

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 8 points 10 months ago
[–] mister_monster@monero.town 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The term "world war" is a propaganda term. First, the only reason the world was involved was because the world was mostly colonies of the belligerents. In reality it was a European war, and European holdings were involved due to their economics.

In the second one, there were 2 distinct wars where the belligerents were allied for strategic reasons. The US was at war with Japan and Europe was at war.

Since the end, peace has been held with a bunch of strategic alliances, so in any real war, all countries take sides. But with the current 2 notable wars going on, it appears that that alliance structure is breaking down. Alliances are not in line with the economic realities of these countries. The more real things get the less these alliances will hold. This is probably a good thing, as it prevents everything from getting out of hand.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The term β€œworld war” is a propaganda term

Why is it propaganda and not just a misnomer?

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because it was deliberately designed to instill a certain sense about history.

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

Yes and totally had nothing to do with the fact the belligerents were on all continents except Antartica. Total propaganda with no basis in accuracy whatsoever.

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The term "world war" is a propaganda term. First, the only reason the world was involved was because the world was mostly colonies of the belligerents. In reality it was a European war, and European holdings were involved due to their economics.

In the second one, there were 2 distinct wars where the belligerents were allied for strategic reasons. The US was at war with Japan and Europe was at war.

Since the end, peace has been held with a bunch of strategic alliances, so in any real war, all countries take sides. But with the current 2 notable wars going on, it appears that that alliance structure is breaking down. Alliances are not in line with the economic realities of these countries. The more real things get the less these alliances will hold. This is probably a good thing, as it prevents everything from getting out of hand.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You forget the pacific theatre totally if you think it was an America Russia war exclusively. That’s a very European centric view for someone calling it a European centric view for those who call it a world war.

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago

Yeah it's a ridiculous stance to take, particularly for WWII. Of the 6/7 continents (Antarctica not included) only Africa and Australia were colonial participants. US, UK, France, Japan, Germany, China, Russia all were not colonies. Direct conflict occurred on Africa by Germany and Japan bombed Australia. Thus to say 'WWII' is a propaganda title to make it sound bigger than it was is at best a pedantic argument as all continents (except Antarctica) were affected by a non-colonial belligerent.

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 2 points 10 months ago
  1. I didn't call it an america Russia war,

  2. I mentioned Japan.

You're talking about world war 2 right?

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[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The biggest issue is extremism on both sides of the political spectrum. Division and hate are extremely easy to stoke and the left is at least as complicit. Unless people change their mindset to and remove the barriers they put up between people, conflict will be inevitable.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The right: "I think we should deport anyone with brown skin, incarcerate the LGBT community until they learn to stay closeted, execute black people without trial and force raped children to give birth, all the while gutting environmental protections, welfare and anything else that might cost my rich friends money"

The left: "Then you're a cunt"

You: Both sides so divisive!

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You're part of the problem till you can step back and understand others opinions. Generally people mean well.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The worst people you know vote and have social media.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

So what opinion does the right have that is worth taking seriously?

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[–] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Damn those libs, fighting for the right to live and love!

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Excellent example

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can you describe the extremism left of spectrum?

Honest question, not JAQing off, and I won't jump down your throat no matter what you say.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Umm... What?

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not so long as nuclear weapons exist. I don't think any country is reckless enough to risk a nuclear exchange, and that won't change until the stress from climate change changes the math.

[–] gbzm@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Climate change is there though. It's not yet reached the "death by the millions" point, but that point being inevitable now, a nation could start thinking about the potential benefits from being the first to strike.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

no, nobody's stupid enough to take on NATO

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.

β€” Albert Einstein

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[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Hopefully NATO isn't stupid enough to take on anyone either

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