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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I mean I can't and I'm not racist.

Til Thai is also a tonal language. It has 5 tones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Most Sino-Tibetan languages (including most modern Chinese, Tibetan, and Burmese varieties), all Kra-Dai languages (including Thai and Lao), all Hmong-Mien languages, and a few other languages near the region (specifically, Vietnamese and Tsat) have tones. Japonic and Koreanic languages both have tones, but historically they've been very simplistic with only 2 tones (pitch accent) although Middle Korean developed 3 tones which then went back to 2. Pitch accent is entirely eliminated in Seoul Korean though. Hmong-Mien languages are the most tonal languages in the world, with up to 12 tones in some languages.

Tones generally seem to be a highly contagious areal feature, interestingly enough. At least in southeast Asian languages, an important shared feature between them was the reduction or loss of final consonants which usually ended up in a tonal system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

12 tones? that's an octave!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

dude some of us have smaller tones ok don't tone shame

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

microtones in eastern music tho 👀

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

That's not what the thing says.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Well, I don't like your tone, so change it.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How ridiculous! Next thing that dude is going to tell me, Asia is not a country!

[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Well if you speak Tagalog, they'll hate you for being Mexican.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not Taiwanese, I'm Filipino! Heaven is racist.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Every time I have a problem, I just throw a Molotov cocktail and then boom, I have a different problem

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Goddamn ancient Mexicans

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Why is that Mexican eating chicken and pasgetti?!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Growing up in the rural south, you can be doing much less than just speaking Tagalog for a Filipino to be confused for a Mexican 😂 I'm half, but my full brother and mother always got confused for Mexican for sure just because they're brown with some cheek bones

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago

Oh, there's noticeable differences but the people who care don't know and and the people who know don't care.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago

This one is really making the c/whitepeopletwitter community title seems extra ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thai language originated in China, and was displaced by the Han people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kra%E2%80%93Dai_languages

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah and every racist definitely knows that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Definitely. I'm very confident they would even be able to point out that area on a world map.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Having watched that one clip of amphibia where Polly claims to have learned fluent Thai by watching rom coms, Thai sounds VERY different from Mandarin.

That being said, I think even this guy is being a bit naïve, the racists aren't mad you're speaking an Asian language, they aren't busting out a phrase book to check and make sure those tones are Punjabi and not Tibetan or whatever. They're mad you're speaking any language they can't understand at all. Why?

Because every last one of these redcaps has an incurable complex surrounding being incensed by the idea of having a fast one pulled on them or their property or their beliefs. They're dead against emergency exemptions for abortion bans and even treating women who miscarry more sympathetically than "with complete and absolute contempt" because they're living in a nightmarish hellscape where literally every woman is already plotting to use those claims to sneak an "unneeded" abortion past them.

They don't see speaking a different language as you just talking, they see it as you talking shit about them because the world revolves around them and why else would you "go out of your way" to avoid them being able to ~~eeves drop~~ overhear if you're saying something untoward? I could be speaking french with my teacher over a culture lesson and these people would only skip the racism to instead accuse me of spying on them and talking shit in front of their faces to rub in that they can't understand what I'm saying.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have gotten dirty looks for talking to my dog in gaelic(she understood commands in both english and gaelic). The US really isn't friendly to any other languages at all. I'm also in a blue state.
It's gotta be WAY worse for POC. Like... scary worse...especially for folks stuck in red states. There are some cultural aspects of the US that really need updating. Like the rampant xenophobia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My dad actually got greenbook tips because he was traveling in the 80s through rural texas and his supervisors realized he "looked visibly Irish"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's crazy! You mean like the greenbook that was written for traveling Black Americans during the Jim Crow era so they could avoid places like sundown towns and businesses that refused services to POC? Sorry if that's not what you meant, it's the only greenbook I'm familiar with... unless greenbook is a general term for avoiding places filled with racism?

Either way I had no idea that prejudice towards the Irish was still prevalent up into the 80's. Thats...really something else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I do actually mean that.

Rural Texans, there's a reason they picked those guys to be the crop that gave us leatherface.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

This reminds me of some racists that shot up a Sikh temple to own the Muslims.

https://theweek.com/articles/473339/sikh-temple-shooting-mistaken-antimuslim-terrorism

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That one is so old.

However, calling it racist bein unable to differentiate between Asian languages is a bit farfetched. I mean I am a European and I can't distinguish most European languages, simply because I don't know them.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

I don't think he is saying that an inability to differentiate between foreign languages is racist, but rather that given a random shithead who holds truly racist beliefs, it is unlikely they will be able to recognize differences between Asian languages.

To put it more generically, most people in Set A exhibit Trait B, but having Trait B alone does not mean you are a member of Set A.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

He probably meant that her mother thought if they spoke thai instead of mandarin, racists wouldn't think about their "every asians speak chinese" stereotypes.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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