Developers: Those are rookie numbers
this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2024
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I'm going for the high score!
I'm an IT engineer, 100% of my time is spent on computer problems.
I’m a home server hobbyist. I like to think of them as computer solutions.
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Do they include "fighting with anti patterns and dark patterns" as broken? It's pretty insane how much misalignment there is between what most people want their computers to do and what the companies want people to do, which seems to largely be "look at ads literally everywhere".
Personal computing is badly sick today.
Even for Linux users.
Why for Linux? Its always painted as Zion for matrix-dwellers?
It's painted like that because it is. It's the biggest bastion of freedom.
Well, because it's still enormously complex and growing, and because, in user applications, comparing today's XFCE to 2010's XFCE is sad, and because comparing today's Gnome to Gnome 2 in its prime is sad, and because comparing today's KDE, eh, even to KDE4 - the same.
Because it's becoming less and less logical, wave after wave people suffering NIH syndrome and\or thinking that mimicking MacOS or Windows is very smart erode it, and because the Web is ugly and becoming uglier.
And because CWM initial configuration takes 15 minutes to write and forget, and there's no Wayland compositor which would take the same amount of time to set up for me, with the same easiness of use.
Anyway, what I wrote in that comment was a subjective feeling and I'm trying to rationalize it retroactively now, which is the same as lying.
Of course it's what you said for Windows and MacOS users.
How much time do we waste on car problems? Neighbor problems? Political problems? Grocery problems?
Right and how much time do we save by having computers? Fixing the problems is just the cost of doing business
Yeah, this seems like a pretty dumb conclusion. I expect that as far back as you look, people always took advantage of tools that save them time. But then they always also spent a fair amount of that time (that they could have been working), just maintaining/fixing/making their tools. I think the truth is that computers are very useful tools, but the maintenance and troubleshooting can be quite time consuming.
I will continue using computers though.
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Also in the context of working, this isn't just computers. It's tools in general, and a computer is a type of tool. Problems with your saw? Problems with your batteries? Problems with access to electricity and your extension cords not being long enough? Problem with losing your 10mm sockets? If you're a trucker or driver the problem could be your vehicle. Etc etc etc.
This article is stupid. Tools break, they always have and always will. The tools we have now are better than they have ever been. They will probably keep getting more and more efficient, but they will still break. Because tools break.
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This is 100% due to Microsoft, google and Apple. If you dont understand, I'm not defending my position, or explaining further.
Tangent: what’s this trend all about where people will make a statement and then firmly state that they will not answer questions or explain themselves afterwards?
I’m seeing it everywhere.
Presumably it's people who are tired of dealing with troll responses.
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Working server side much? Pretty sure a lot of us spend a lotta time on fixing shit unrelated to either of those 3… Not that it diminishes the merit of our IT support dude that endure due to those 3 indeed.
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My job is to fix computers so I waste 100% of my time with computer problems.
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Linux users brings the numbers up
Once everything is set up properly it just works tbh. Meanwhile in windows updates broke something every other time.
This is so not true unless you are using some super stable old Debian release and aren't doing complex work.
Most DEs are super buggy, especially the darling child kde, which right off the bat makes things not super stable.
Additionally some of the most loved distros are rolling release and inherently unstable.
Hell, I use multiple distros daily, fedora and slackware, I also use windows for work, windows is by and large more stable in my experience.
Slackware has kernel panics monthly, kde crashes on fedora, Wayland has too many problems to count, meaning I have to switch to x sessions all the time.
Most GUI software I use has tons of visual glitches.
Yes it's tolerable, that's why I still use it, but I wouldn't exactly say it 'just works'
I would estimate I restart my fedora computer about 4-5 times more often than than the windows computer, and usually I have to restart fedora because of serious hard crashes (e.g. kde crashes so hard that I can't even switch to a tty, meaning I need to hard reset)
I've not had anything like that since... forever. But then I'm not a kde nor fedora user. Naturally raises the question - have you considered switching from kde, fedora or both?
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Really? Because I updated and my wine prefix just broke. That was yesterday.
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Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Fedora Silverblue?
I spend literally no time at all dealing with my OS.
I'm literally dealing with an update issue with this distro lol
To he fair, it was perfect, literally perfect, until now. And even now, it's not unbootable, since I can just use the previous image point. Just sucks I can't update.
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Hey, all of those problems are entirely because of my own incompetence.
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Jokes on you! My whole life is a waste of time
"Up to 20%" is meaningless for a headline and is pure click bait. It could be any number between 0% and 20%. Or put another way, any number from no time at all to a horrifying more than an entire day per week.
Why not just state the average from what is probably a statistically irrelevant study and move on?
We are wasting up to 20% of our time with bronze problems.
-- Some grumpy dude circa 3300 BC
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Using the word "we" loosely.
That number was more like 30% with a windows laptop and all the security crap Microsoft convinced my company to install. It was so painfully slow and glitchy. So I went rogue and put Linux on my company laptop 8 months ago and I'm not looking back.
Yep. Over here running Fedora KDE 40 on my desktop, dealing with zero issues. My use case is pretty simple, but everything I use just works, no issues.
If your use case is "pretty simple," you're unlikely to have problems with any operating system.
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How about everyone who has zero skills with these problems, do they count is 0% spent on them as they outsource it or do they count as 100% since the smallest problem incapacitates their computer usage?
At least 10 percent of my time sitting in a classroom in college was waiting for the prof to get the projector to work with their laptop.
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53% of my time is spent looking for CASE statements without an END. This is 99% human error - does that count?
Yeah, I know. What of it?
I thought the title said “We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computers.”
My immediate thought was “That seems way too low…”
Computers would be far less interesting if there weren‘t any problems to solve. Fiddling around really is half the fun for me, even when it can get frustrating.
Please don't get a job where you have windows, cloud, sharepoint , dynamics and one drive forced on you (plus a load of oracle). it makes you fucking hate computers.
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