Who'da thunk, battery life sells battery powered devices.
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So let's keep making phones thinner and thinner while simultaneously growing the camera bump instead of making a flat profile with, say, 2 days of life!
So on one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I think lightness is a thing people care about. I recently needed to get some photos backed up off an old phone of mine, and I didn’t realize how heavy my current one is until I picked up my old one. Thinness is irrelevant, but a 50% weight difference is not. Other than that, I don’t think most people get much utility out of more than a day of battery life, so 1.5 days new degrading down to 1 seems reasonable and in line with what most people want.
I think lightness is a thing people care about.
It is. Specifically it is something people do not want.
I have had a LG V30, Pixel 4a and 5, all of which are incredibly light. When I hand it to an iPhone user they tell me it "feels cheap". You can see this sentiment reflected in phone reviews also.
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Totally agree! I picked up an old iPhone 6s yesterday and I just couldn’t believe how much lighter and thinner it is than the latest models.
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Exactly. I really liked my old phone, the Moto G Power, which:
- had no camera bump
- had 2+ days battery life
- was pretty affordable (I think it was $250 new?)
I still have it for stuff around the house (gets like 3-4 days w/o the SIM), and I would totally still be using it as my main phone if it still got security updates. The screen is a little larger than I want, but it has been a solid phone for me.
I got a Pixel 8 mostly because of the longer software support and GrapheneOS support, and I honestly don't care about the camera, and the big bump is pretty annoying. I really wish I could just have my Moto G Power w/ a small screen and longer software support. In fact, I'd totally use a Pinephone if it had reliable calls and texts, better battery life, and better audio quality. I really don't need much, I just need a phone that will keep working for years and not need to be recharged throughout the day...
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I personally like it, when my devices die in the middle of a sente...
My phone has a 22000mAh battery. I never consider charging it unless I'm going to the woods overnight, and then only to be sure I have a power bank.
What phone has a 22000 mAh battery?
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Ah but if our batteries last longer people won't have to buy phones as often, someone think or the shareholders
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Copilot+ is a reason not to buy one of those laptops. It’s a privacy and security nightmare.
Pretending it's not locked down like the og surface arm devices, I'd consider getting one and totally drop some flavour of linux on it, 3:2 is a great aspect ratio for laptops.
Otherwise yeah, I wouldn't go anywhere near it
Edit: apparently I don't need to pretend, this hasn't been an issue for a while so that's actually great
They're BIOS locked and only accept Windows keys. On the plus side. Tuxedo is developing Linux notebooks with the same powerful, low-power ARM chips.
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It is not bootloader locked, Linux support is WIP
EDIT: Source here https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/1dnu5nw/comment/ladiom2/?context=3
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Is it that different than standard Windows? Either way I'm just hyped that it seems the age of ARM desktops is upon us, I definitely won't be using any "Copilot+" branded OS though.
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Linux support should be here soon
Is this really a surprise to anyone outside of the AI hype machine?
Not really no, it also likely isn't a surprise to the engineers and project managers working on these products. Which is likely exactly why they have standout battery life: the project managers knew AI wouldn't sell so they made the laptops appealing via conventional means anyway.
The project manager wouldn't have a say in battery life, as it's really just because of the ARM chip.
And I don't think anyone thinks Copilot is good in its current form, AI hype or not. It feels like a web app with no real control over the machine.
It's a common misconception but ARM isn't inherently better at battery life than x86 though. It's more that Qualcomm's designs are as compared to the companies on the market that produce x86 hardware.
TIL, I did some research because of your comment and indeed, the difference in their use cases is mostly a market thing, not so much a limitation of each one. This answer is particularly good at explaining that.
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Ah no, more battery life isn't because of the ARM chip. Not with general usage, outside of minimal instruction set use.
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Linux support also appears to be coming along nicely (though not ready yet).
Linux support also appears to be coming along nicely (though not ready yet).
Linux, as in kernel: Yes. Qualcomm doesn't develop FOSS GPU drivers, though. freedreno only supports older Adreno GPUs.
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It is ready. I only used to dual boot Linux, but I switched completely over 6 months ago with zero issues.
I think he mean on these new, modern ARM laptop. None has actually work well so far. This newer Qualcomm chips are those that they themselves put the effort in. Rest were few far and between - garbage from Qualcomm and rest is from community.
I switched completely over 6 months ago
There were no Copilot+ PCs 6 months ago. Stop lying.
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I spent a good 20 minutes trying to remove copilot from my windows 10 machine last night. It embedded itself into the taskbar, the edge explorer, and I finally had to go into system components to disable it. No doubt there will be another ms update that will revert all these settings again
I spent a good 20 minutes trying to remove copilot from my windows 10 machine last night.
On Windows 11 you can just uninstall it. I did. Win10 is old and about to be unsupported.
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I feel like narrow AI tools duped me for a while, but the more I started to really use Chat GPT professionally, the more I've likened it to professional mimicking software. It essentially works to pyt out responses that sound the most convincing but have nothing to do with putting out responses that are actually at all accurate. These are terrible tools outside of asking basic questions, idea generation, and generally summarizing existing information you feed into it. I use it to help me make lists and better phrase emails and company messages at this point and nothing that actually requires any actual fact finding.
Professional bullshit artists, in the sense of the technical definition given by Harry Frankfurt in his influential book:
Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.
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It's a good troubleshooting tool. Pasting in weird error messages that don't turn up any useful search results is pretty useful, even if the response it gives is partially inaccurate, it usually at least gives a bit more information than a search engine, which gives me more context to narrow my search terms and find a solution to the error.
It's especially useful for learning Nix, since the online documentation is a bit shit and ChatGPT seems to have enough grasp on the Nix language and how to configure things in NixOS to tell me what I'm doing wrong.
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I have actually come to prefer using AI instead of a search engine at work for most things sysadmin related (using DuckDuckGo’s AI chat feature), but I 100% have found that Copilot performs far worse than competing products. Having it that engrained in the computer is a very negative feature, despite the battery improvements.
Copilot sucks. Gemeni is a sassy teenager. Chatgpt 4o is actually halfway decent. When they announced Gemeni had a million context tokens, that was awesome. But it can't give coherent output to save its life. Useless.
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The Copilot in Windows and in Bing is quite bad, but the Github Copilot seems better. If you know of a clearly better one for programming I'm interested in trying things out.
I got the Surface Pro X a few years ago purely for battery life, performance be damned. Great decision, and it fit my use-case perfectly. Maybe a little too perfectly for Qualcomm, because I have no reason to upgrade to something more performant when all I cared about was the battery life.
Edit: This recent push towards Windows on ARM is also benefiting these old WOA devices. Programs that would barely run before (because they were compiled for x86 and had to be emulated on a chip that could hardly handle all that extra overhead) are now getting native ARM version releases that run way better. In my experience, my Pro X's performance has effectively been improving as time goes on, so I have even less of a reason to get anything new.
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