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[–] [email protected] 99 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I’m guessing someone did 🔫🩸👂

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Nah false flag. It looks staged.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Attendees died, and Trump is way too cowardly to fake this with actual ammunition. It's real

EDIT: Mind, if you want to say it's staged to rile up the right who keeps saying shootings are staged, then please, continue

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Conservatives can call everything fake news and spreading misinformation is suddenly a problem when it happens to their own people? Tiniest violin.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Stooping to their level doesn’t make us better, it makes us just as bad as them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

Taking the high road is a luxury only affordable by people who aren't fighting an existential threat.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

"We go high you go low"

And when they dismantle the government and march people off to internment camps you'll be able to smile proud and say "at least I didn't stoop to their level"

Right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

If it saves democracy, then we need to stoop lower. The time of formalities is long over

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (12 children)

I highly doubt that, staging something like this would be an insanely dangerous move, a slight miss from the shooter in such a scenario would be lethal, and given other people at the event seem to have been killed, it seems clear that lethal rounds were used. Trump may be a fan of ridiculous stunts, but he's also pretty self interested; I do not think he would risk his own life for such a stunt.

I understand the impulse to not want someone one agrees with politically to have done something like try a political assassination, and then immediately leap to the idea that the notion that the event might help the intended victim's political chances is just a bit too convenient and therefore must mean they orchestrated it, but it must be remembered that, whatever views one has, or groups one is in, or identities one holds, as long as they are not so obscure as to be shared by only a handful of people, it is statistically likely that there will be people who are on your team or side of group who are willing to do something like this given the chance, just by virtue of such people making up a fraction of the population.

Trump is hated by a lot of people, myself included and a large fraction of the people likely to be reading this too I'm sure. It is not at all unrealistic to imagine that someone hates him enough to try to kill him.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

The only reason I want this to be staged is because I want it to be exposed as a stunt. He fucking deserves this and I'm only sad he missed. Fuck. Donald. Trump.

I'd be celebrating if he hadn't.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The case, in my mind, for the false flag hypothesis is simple: he's a blithering coward. If a serious attempt was made on his life, nothing about his prior behavior suggests he would be fist-pumping. His confidence betrays comfort. Further, he idolizes those who have used similar false flags. Maintaining composure in such an event is so remote a possibility, that the probability of an orchestrated scenario with foreknowledge, a common blood capsule, and collateral damage seems comparatively likely.

Not certain, of course, but probable enough for consideration. Certainly it's far too early to draw concrete conclusions one way or another. However, if it were a false flag, how would it look differently?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't be like the right. They claim everything is fake. We are better than that

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I’m guessing someone did 🔫🩸👂

Why was this comment removed? Can a mod explain?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He should have considered telling people about it during that debate on primetime national TV.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I swear to God democratic PR personnelle is all Republican sleeper agents. They are so inept it's maddening. Women lost their reproductive rights, Trump tried to overthrow our government. Biden should be just repeating these points over and over again.

Just like Republicans do when they find themselves an issue.

Stop trying to explain stuff to Americans, they are too stupid. Just hammer easy to understand points that are wrapped in emotion.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago

Yeah he could have mentioned that in the debate

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Americans need to get off the political extremism ride, it’s not a good fit for you guys. Go back to drinking milkshakes and talking too loud in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying we don’t do those other things? We are perfectly capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, thank you very much

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At least uhh... At least half of us probably are capable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

DID SOMEONE SAY MILKSHAKE?!?

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago

Well this election isn't about reading anymore. It's about who's still alive on election day.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He asked americans to read? He really really doesn't want to be president anymore

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Not just read, but read a nearly 1000 page, dry, political document

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

keep up with the brilliant campaign strategy, Joe. tell people to read... that'll go well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If he was still capable of using the bully pulpit (and if he had ever been seriously interested in using it at all), he could start at the beginning and focus on one section at a time over the course of weeks. Instead he's telling Americans to read something that is simultaneously dull and hateful with no context.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

He finally getting around to this huh. The whole damn party needs to be drilling this into the American psyche. We really need an ethical individual - well as ethical as you can find, it's a pretty big ask - to serve as a rally point for the Democrats. I mean, we could have had Bernie but Hilary and the DNC fucked that all up thanks to their complete unwillingness to read the goddamn room.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bill Clinton: "Violence has no place in America, especially in our political process"

Bill... c'mon. America is violence's head cheerleader.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Biden is holding everyone hostage here. It's him or the other worse option. But he is completely responsible for the situation we are in now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Blaming Biden for the GOP being fascists seems odd to me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He is responsible for intentionally hiding his true mental state from the public. Running such a close race with Trump should be a clear sign of how unpopular he is as a candidate. At this point, Democrats are dangerously close to losing this election replacing him or not. That is on him.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Biden is not responsible people do not want to vote for him. Voters are responsible for not voting for a person they do not want to vote for!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I wouldn't say completely responsible, but he and the Democratic Party more broadly are certainly taking advantage of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

America could have had Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Taking advantage right up to the point they lose power, and drag the US into an incredibly dark period.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The Irony is that they have bernie sanders but because they bend over to AIPAC they dont want Bernie.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Biden has a point.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Obligatory "if these Americans could read, they would be very upset."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Biden, STEP THE FUCK DOWN.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Biden's not wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

They have. That’s why they’re voting for him and urging others not to vote for Biden.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

And I urge Biden to read a statement of resignation on live television.

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