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WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

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[–] [email protected] 348 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (90 children)

Do not advocate or celebrate violence, please. Comments advocating violence will be deleted and bans will be issued.

Also, please avoid promoting conspiracies. Discussing current events is fine but suggesting things like “it’s a false flag” without evidence is spreading a conspiracy.

[–] [email protected] 280 points 8 months ago (27 children)

A reminder, he incited people Jan 6th which resulted in deaths.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (42 children)

That's not a justification for more violence, two wrongs don't make a right. He was wrong for doing what he did and this is wrong as well. This is because political violence in it's entirety is wrong. Jesus, do people not have principles anymore? Seeing all the supposedly moral people turn into Q anon level conspiracy theorists who condone violence is depressing.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

two wrongs don't make a right.

You're right. But let me tell you all about the sympathy I have for him:

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That's about it.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 8 months ago (15 children)

I know you have to say this, but holy shit do I disagree.

This person advocated significant violence and contributed to the deaths and loss of human rights of thousands. A good whack of the world would turn up hungover to work tomorrow after celebrating only a few inches over.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why not? Isnt that what americans claim the second amendment is for?Prevent fascism?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Lemmy users when they can’t advocate violence:

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Advocating for violence to prevent a fascist from abolishing the democracy is the only acceptable violence. Sometimes a democracy has to be protected violently if it is too weak to protect itself. Trump allies always say its why they have the second amendment. Now that it is used against them they cry about it.

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[–] [email protected] 233 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Did you guys hear Richard Simmons died? So sad.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 8 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago

They noped out of wherever the fuck this chapter of America is headed.

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[–] [email protected] 176 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

What peeves me is that the right are all clutching their pearls about anyone who says anything other than blind Trump sympathy. Don't get me wrong, political violence is wrong. But, remember this:

When Paul Pelosi got his face bashed in with a hammer, the right made fun of it. Mocked him. Idk, man.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is what is so frustrating.

Conservatives call for violence; Call for rising up; Literally calling themselves DOMESTIC TERRORISTS: Absolutely a nothing burger. Just a bunch of locker room talk. Relax that's normal conservative speech.

Liberals blinking aggressively: WHY ARENT YOU MORE TOLERANT BE BETTER.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Fuck. This is probably not going to lead to good things.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you're planning to take out an aspiring despot, you better be damn sure of your shot

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 8 months ago (8 children)

The great recession, a global pandemic, and now a second American civil war. I want off this train.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago

Don't forget the climate change!

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Guy tries to overthrow the country, and people are worried that someone tried to kill him. What is wrong with this world. If people aren't trying to kill him we have something to worried about.

The justice system failed to arrest and detain the suspect and keep him imprisoned until charged properly. This isn't a failure of the people, it is a failure of the government.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 8 months ago (17 children)

I can’t wait for Trump to turn pro-gun control.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Trump's gun control: if white and conservative, you can own any firearm, if not, good luck

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

He literally said "take the guns, then do process [sic]" years ago

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Biden added: "Jill and I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him to safety. There’s no place for this kind of violence in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it,"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-he-is-grateful-hear-trump-is-safe-has-been-briefed-shooting-2024-07-14/

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Must the Democrats champion good manners ALL the time? Jesus Christ he's a fascist! Fuck good sportsmanship!

Who the fuck are you trying to impress? Who's going to consider this the moment they vote for Biden over Trump?

"Violence has no place in America."

Cops killing citizens. Native genocide. Genocide in Palestine. Protesters being beaten. People using their "rights" being arrested and killed. Slow socially accepted murder caused by poverty. Rights for Queer youth being taken away, which leads to self harm.

Why do they just give "thoughts and prayers" to Hitler 2.0? Trump isn't going to be kind with this, he'll start saying every Democrat is responsible for this. Fuck the "higher moral ground".

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I mean this is the world he wants, you can't dog whistle people to take up arms against tyranny without a comfortable acceptance of the irony pool you are filling. Everyone will try to spin this to their political advantage but the truth is this is the level of political discourse the right has been driving towards.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So, I am fearing this will not only rally all Trump supporters to really vote for and support him extra hard, and get some undecideds to his side for his martyr status, but it might also spark a wave of stochastic terrorism and shootings by some right-wingers acting out, who will want to deliver justice to whatever group they will blame.

There is definitely some danger of this potentially spiraling, not guaranteed, but that will depend on some more potentially chaotic weeks ahead. Stay safe, stay prepared, stay organised.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

I bet Trump is perversely happy he got shot. He can be a Real Brave Man, now. How much attention it gets him. How much more clout he believes he will get because he will weasel some political capital out of it. Heaven help us if the shooter was liberal, this man is fine with dog whistling violence and more than a few of his followers are itching to engage in it. It won't matter one whit how many people have been killed or hurt by right wingers.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When 9 11 happened, people had different reactions: sadness, fear, shock... people like Dick Cheney immediate reaction was: what can I gain from this.

I'm pretty sure Trump runs on that exact mentality.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Gotta love how people are instantly pulling a QAnon deal of “ITS A FALSE FLAG, FAKE NEWS, NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT A GRAND CABAL!”

Somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.

Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s ever been a good actor.

"Now Trump's gonna say Biden tried to kill him."

He already said that.

"Now Trump's gonna call for repression of the left."

He already did that.

"Now they're gonna say Trump is a martyr."

They already say that.

"Now the right is gonna get violent with their political opponents."

They already do that.

"Now the fash are gonna push for an enabling act."

They already are doing that.

It's equally frustrating and vindicating that people are waking up to the alarms minorities have been sounding for... decades? Even during 9/11, people were saying this is the start of the end for any form of freedom. Then we had economic crash after crash. Then more rights removed. More drone strikes. More illegal wars.

Then we tried to warn about Trump. No one cared. He won. The people who said he would hurt did get hurt. People acted shocked.

Biden came in. Ignored the people in jail cells, ignored COVID for better polling, refusing the new powers given to him to do anything better for the country at large, and slowly turning into a walking skeleton.

And every single time people have said "Hey this is bad for any form of democracy" people said it was overblown, nothing bad would happen. Then it got worse and worse. Voting didn't solve most of the issues. Protesting did. And then both parties clamped harder on protestors and increased funding to the militarized police.

Welcome to Weimar Germany, America. People have only warned you for decades. If this doesn't wake anyone up, then you'll sleepwalk as you claim ignorance on why you're "just following orders".

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 8 months ago (19 children)

I bet there will be a retaliatory attack on his Biden

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago

at least. and Kamala just because she's a black woman.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago

I was excited at first, then sad. Trump's death would be the only way american people get justice as he's clearly above the law. Can't believe all the news hasn't called him felon trump, instead calling him president trump, dropping the former.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (12 children)

I’m so over politics in America. This shit is terrifying. People trying to overthrow elections, seniors that are too old to lead, voter suppression, people stuck in disinformation bubbles, and now assassins. Meanwhile, the rich just get richer, and “middle class” life just gets harder and harder.

I have dual citizenship with an EU nation from birth, and this week had made me start to dust off those childhood documents and look into the details of relocating.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Reddit's megathread on this is already broken. Just goes to show how terrible it is, you'd think after all this time they'd figure out how to run a website...

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Dark times (including a now virtually guaranteed Trump presidency) ahead.

RIP to the USA.

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