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[–] [email protected] 205 points 8 months ago (27 children)

Biden is doing this to drive a wedge into Republicans. The gun nuts and the ones that don't care about guns will have differing opinions because now gun violence affects them directly. It's really smart.

Biden looks presidential. Trump has three choices:

  1. Come out against AR-15s, for obvious reasons. This makes gun nuts less likely to vote for him.

  2. Come out in favor of AR-15s. He looks insane to Republicans who don't care about guns.

  3. Trump ignores the issue or waffles and looks unpresidential.

Number 3 is most likely. Of course the correct answer is number 4: propose a competing policy that is nuanced. But that's impossible for trump.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 8 months ago (6 children)

How many Republicans don't care about guns?

[–] [email protected] 107 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The ones that are republicans for tax purposes.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Is that enough to matter? And is this issue enough for them to change their vote, given the tax stuff? All the other shit Trump does certainly doesn’t matter.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Lots of them. Do you know any Republicans? None of them care about issues that don't affect them and their families. Even other "conservative" issues. They are not driven by policy.

Only Republicans with guns care about guns. And only 50% of Republicans have guns.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx

They don't care about each other. Liberals care about what other liberals think. Stop thinking like someone who cares about policy.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 8 months ago (21 children)

Gun control, especially banning the most popular and utilitarian platform, is a massive political loser. This is incredibly poor timing for a struggling campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Any of those options will work fine for Trump. He doesn’t need to have policies, strategies, or responses to anything. His voters can’t remember it anyway. You think they remember that he banned bump stocks in the first place? He could promise to ban AR-15s one day, then criticize his own proposal the next day, and he’ll just get cheered by both sides. Voters are fucking stupid.

All that matters is that he keeps the steady supply of hateful buzzwords flowing. You can’t win chess against an opponent who’s playing hungry hungry hippos.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Holy deep fried frankenfuck will the Democrats NEVER LEARN?!?!?!?!

AFTER!

You talk about guns AFTER the election!

What in the actual pogostickingpopejohnpaul is he THINKING?!?!?

The optics are 1000% awful here.

Uvalde wasn't enough, but a potshot at the planet's most notorious living felon is?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Lose the election speed run any %

I’m 100% sure Dems are actively self sabotaging their re-election.

There is no way the entire party cannot read a fucking room. This has to be on purpose at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Braindead take, is Biden gonna come to my rescue when some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch?

[–] [email protected] 71 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (23 children)

Sounds like a similar argument to how christofascists justify owning military weapons. It's very disturbing from a European point of view.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

Seeing how 2A it almost took down a fascist it's getting hard to argue against it.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (17 children)

Is this what your life is like?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

The cops will bring the rope.

Source: George floydd protests

[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nah, I think I'll keep my shit and wait for the far right to move.

The fuckin scenario we are in I swear.

Far right: let's kill the left and do fascism.

Democrats: let's ban weapons right now while there's threats of violence against democrats.

Really?

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just as dumb as when Beto said it before his election...

It'll never pass, and he thinks saying it will get votes, but all it does is motivate idiots to vote trump, even tho he actually did an executive action to try and close a loophole.

It might not have stood, but it worked for a couple of years.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Banning guns is a losing policy for democrats. It only ever hurts them. I really wish they'd stop lighting political capital on fire with statements like this

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I said this decades ago... if Dems dropped the gun shit and embraced safe shooting sports, they would win every damn election.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I can think of literally no better reason to keep ARs legal than the events of last week.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Yes, this is the exact intention of the second amendment. Armed resistance against tyrannical government. If the rise of fascism in America isn’t the time to use it, it’s meaningless.

The founding fathers envisioned state militias that would rival the power of the federal army and keep it in check. That ship has sailed, so it already lost a lot of its bite, but any power it still has can only be justified for that purpose

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

This is like begging for Republicans to start making up conspiracies about how the Democrats set this all up to take away their gun rights.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Uhh... They've been making those up for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It seems like such a lazy non-solution. Essentially telling shooters "Hey, from now on, you can only use ALL THE OTHER GUNS" as if that solves something.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (18 children)

This is the problem. All banning the AR will do is drive the popularity of another platform up. There's a crapload of powerful semi-auto customizable platforms out there, it's just that the AR variant is the most popular. It's a stupid solution because it's no solution at all - and I don't mean that as a "not good enough so we should do nothing at all" thing, it's just a completely pointless solution.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'll give up my guns after the christo-facists give up theirs, not before.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Add the cops to that list for me. Any disarming of citizens while the cops still get more military gear is just class war pretending to be progress.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (7 children)

FUCK

its like he's trying to lose

this is not going to get anyone excited about voting for him, but it will galvanize the opposition and push swing voters into staying home on election day at the very least

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I dunno, it didn't work out so well for Beto.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago

That fucking horrible assassination attempt would have happened with or without the AR, this is just another knee-jerk emotional reaction, and it could NOT come at a worse time (pre-election). We're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Handguns used in ~2/3 of all gun murders in the U.S.: I sleep

AR-15 used in one assassination attempt of geriatric running for president in 2024: REAL SHIT

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago

Nooo, let’s not. We’re gonna need those pretty soon from the looks of it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago

This is a fucking retarded take and I vote Democrat. Jesus.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (35 children)

Time to force registration of guns. Time to force psych evals for gun owners. I own two guns. One is a SKS I bought in 1990. Although considered a assault rifle it is nothing more than a semi automatic hunting rifle. I would gladly submit to what I propose in order to ensure that some broken soul doesn't have access to a weapon. Anyone who is against accountability in this matter is probably a danger.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Biden speed-running losing the election.

At this point all Trump has to do is pretend this didn't phase him, then not say anything too stupid and I'm sure Biden will do his best to just hand it over.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I want you to imagine the following scenario:

The RIAA: "Internet file sharing of mp3s is eating into our profits. Government, we want you to ban the Rio Volt SP250 mp3 player."

The Government: "Yes, banning only that specific make and model of mp3 player and none of the rest of Rio's product catalog, or any mp3 players manufactured by any other brand, will completely and permanently address this scourge of copyright infringement. Consider it done."

That's you! That's how DUMB you sound!

--GLaDOS.

Here's what happens when you ban a firearm by name: manufacturers change some extremely minor detail, change the model number, and keep selling it. The Tec-9 open bolt machine pistol was used in a few school shootings in the 90's, most prominently the Columbine massacre. California banned the gun by name in state law. The manufacturer responded by moving the sling ring from one side of the gun to the other and calling it the Tec-DC9, with "DC" standing for "Designed for California."

It's not an engineering problem. Banning individual makes and models is how you solve (or at least end) an engineering problem. This is a culture problem.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (9 children)

...Does Pres. Biden really think that the assassination attempt would have gone less well if Crooks had been using a Ruger American bolt action rifle chambered in 6.5CM? Does he really think that?

Let's be super-clear here, and AR-15 uses an intermediate cartridge. Most bolt action hunting rifles are going to use full-power cartridges, cartridges that have a longer range, may have a flatter trajectory, have less wind drift, and have a helluva lot more power when they hit their target. A center mass hit with an AR-15 at 150y is going to be bad; a center mass hit with a .308 or 6.5CM at 150y is going to be the end of someone's world. Bear in mind that many hunters do not consider a .225/5.56x45mm bullet to be ethical for deer hunting because it's lower power, while there's very broad agreement that 6.5CM and .308 are just dandy.

Also, calling for banning guns in an election year where you're already behind? When gun bans tend to galvanize Republicans and get them out to the polls? Incredibly dumb. Unbelievably dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

Biden tries to throw a sure thing, again.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The only way this is possible is by rewriting the Constitution. FDR was the last president willing to, and that definitely didn't happen.

Biden doesn't have Constitution rewriting level support.

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