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No woman, anywhere in the world, should ever be required to wear any of these. Humans should be respected to make their own personal choices.
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Sure, but many women choose to wear these and that’s fine if that’s what they want to do.
It's also worn out of fear. People falsly believe it protects you from sexual assault.
Sure, but the vast majority of people wear it because it part of their religion and they want to.
I’m not religious in the slightest, but I support people’s right to choose.
We never seem to see people complaining about what nuns wear, which I find to be a double standard.
We never seem to see people complaining about what nuns wear, which I find to be a double standard.
Different context. Nuns wear their costume when they are serving. That's why you don't see nuns in full dress at Walmart.
But I see women in full burkas (always with their husband, of course) struggling in everyday situations.
If the religion requires it, it's a terribly oppressive one. These women "chose" not to face consequences, so they wear it. That's why there are international protests by women who call to reject these fabric cages.
No. Majority of women wear it because of sexist opression. They don't have the real choice of not wearing it even if they believe they wear it "because I want to".
Also, using nuns is not a valid argument, because
- it's a uniform and
- nuns are nuns because they devote their lives, amongst other things, to not have children. Do those women depicted swore chastity and celibacy?
Neither do I care what people wear. I'm just stating a misleading factor behind the attire.
Also, I never see nuns in public.
Do you even Sister Act?
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Came back to add a serious element to the comment. I worked at a gas station for years right near a Catholic Church. I knew all of the nuns, and I can’t speak on the tradition everywhere, but I never seen them wearing their nun gear.
I wouldn’t have even known they were nuns if I wasn’t told. The one I got tight with had a short haircut and wore blue jeans and flannel. I always assumed she worked on a farm somewhere nearby or something until she told me she was a nun. My family was struggling and I was talking to a friend about coming up with the money for my electric bill. She overheard me and asked me to stop by her church and fill out a form. She told me she was a nun when I met her at the church.
That is so sweet. That's the wholesome shit I needed to hear today.
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Choose to because otherwise they get kicked from the family?
I would argue those are the minority of cases.
They aren’t.
It’s literally enforced by the government
I didn’t know my government, the UK, was enforcing people wearing religious clothing. TIL.
That’s a very obtuse response and the governments I’m referencing are obvious.
I’m having a discussion on the usage in general, you and the other replies have been highlighting minority cases.
I wonder if you’re so passionate about this issue, what you’re doing to further women’s rights in these countries you have issue with?
Choose and Required are opposites.
I see plenty of Muslim women without them, indicating it’s a choice for most.
Not in countries controlled by religion.
So the issue isn’t religion its authoritarianism in these countries.
Perhaps, we should fight against that rather than the garments in question, no?
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Clothing fit for making a clear statement they are not on the same level as men. Is this compatible with modern society, inherent human needs and equality?
Easy answer, yes if they are doing it of their own free will with informed consent. People can wear whatever they want.
Hard question, does heavy cultural pressure and implied threats of violence impact your ability to ever truly give informed consent?
Exactly. Although it does get a little dicey when you factor in cultural conditioning. Some women are devout by choice—but if they grew up in the religion it’s impossible to determine if that devoutness is a truly held belief or if they’ve been essentially brainwashed. I don’t mean to say there’s some insidious plot of brainwashing, but there’s really no other way to describe deep, long term conditioning from a dominant in-group.
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This is probably just cause I’m on NCD too much but does the last one kinda look like a stealth fighter?
I am torn between stealth fighter and payload tbh.
Crazy how many completely different names there are for different kinds of clothing that's sooooo close to each other.
How many different kinds of hats with entirely different names do you own? I have a sun hat, a toque, a helmet, a rain cap, one of those ones with flaps that I don't know the name of but probably has one, and I'm sure half of you own a fedora and a trilby.
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Can men wear these? I want to scare my kids and these would be perfect
I like the one resembling a Christmas tree.
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is there one word I can learn that describes all of these because honestly that's too much to remember
It's almost definitely cultural, but putting all the head coverings under the generic umbrella of Hijab is what I've seen.
Never heard of a Chador, looks cozy.
This drawing kind of makes a Burka look crazy, like she's blindfolded.
Its a mesh over the eyes iirc like very shear fabric.
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so cool
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