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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17967345
My grandfather started going on a anti-trump, anti-fascism rant and I saw him kind of pause to check if I was that trump cultist lol. It was very heartening
My other grandfather was a vocal racist, sexist, homophobe who died of covid because he believed Trump's lies. Rot in pieces
Trump literally killed off hundreds of thousands of bigots with his lies about covid. That was silver lining of his term
I don't understand what the image is depicting exactly, there's one black person in the picture and she's sitting there while that guy is about to drip something on the head of the woman next to her?
Is it a picture of white people bullying a group for having a black friend?
Lunch counters were segregated in the US. A fairly common protest was black folk sitting at lunch counters and trying to order lunch. This often causes uproar and unrest, riots. I believe the woman who's about to have water poured on her head is black, it's just that the picture makes her look white, or she's fairly passing.
I think the woman with water poured on her is white and sitting with the black woman.
My understanding of the two sides were the white people attacking them and the white people sitting with a black person to protest segregation.
Thanks for the clarification
They’re having salt dumped on them too, for the grave offense of sitting at a Whites-only lunch counter.
If this mob of hick bullies wasn’t there to torment them, well, black people might eat lunch there. Obviously that would be the end of the world, and all would be lost.
Because humans only produce like minded offspring, incapable of forming their own thoughts opinions and values. There has never been political tension between generations over schema shifts that also don't happen. E: big heckin /s in case that wasn't obvious
The point is that CRT is important because white people have often been fed a version of reality that has been heavily edited to make racism seem less impactful than it actually was/is at best.
If Grandma is telling you that people of color were lesser human beings back in the day or "uppity" and all that scholastic history teaches is "Racism was a thing, but then MLK and it all got better!" It devalues the entire lesson.
My grandma still jumps to the disgusting "immigrants bring diseases with them!" and then goes "oh my look at the time, I need to catch Mass."
...what the fuck grandma? Jesus means everything and nothing to you?
Hope you call her out on that.
^ A foolish response
I believe it was Albert Einstein who said: "You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you."
Racism is highly heritable. This comports to the research, personal observation, and common sense.
The observation that it's not 100% heritable is obtuse. Height is only 60-80% heritable.
Many of these people are are still alive and voting. No one is saying generational trends can't be broken.
False dichotomy is false. People are complicated.
If your moral certitude is so easily triggered that this purity test gets a "hell yeah." Then can you please pause to reflect?
My parents were on both sides of this. I am a very long distance from where they were. They taught me one thing, thought another.
Which does that make them?
You can't use "certitude" and "triggered" in the same sentance, it makes you sound like you copy pasted random shit from a script online about how to counter argue anti racism.
Homie, take a deep breath. This is a picture of civil rights protesters being attacked by explicit white supremacists. There's no false dichotomy here. The moderate whites didn't show up to attack civil rights protesters, or kill them, or set up bombs to kill anyone of color in KKK terrorist attacks. They stayed home, and clicked their tongues, possibly wagged a finger. There's no nuance here, you showed up to protest for civil rights, or you showed up to support white supremacy, or you stayed home.
If you think that's ''moral certitude'' (seriously stop using words you don't understand, your embarrassing yourself) you're just a fucking idiot or a white supremacist.
I'm growing increasingly skeptical of "people are complicated" being anything more than a method of shaming people for discussing certain subjects.
We need to discuss groups of people and that inherently involves generalising their beliefs. Nobody is going to track down every single person in that photo and confirm the nuances of their racism just in case they thought it was the line for hot doughnuts, so the conversation people are having here becomes impossible.
Your mother's specific views on black people don't matter to any conversation people are having in academic or social media circles. We're all perfectly aware that individuals have more complex opinions but we're not talking about individuals.
But even more bizarrely, why do you think your mother's views are some kind of "gotcha"? She was racist when it came to you dating a black person, which she inherently attempted to hand down to you. For the purposes of this conversation, we absolutely know what group she belongs to. She's doesn't get a free pass just because she didn't have the whole set.
Unfortunately some folks identified with both.
Grandfather was a MoC, he still forbade my mom from dating black men because he thought they were all thugs.
That's not identifying with both that's just adhering to a slightly different cultural norm.
Yeah. Not that unusual for the time.
This is the "great america" they are always referencing.
Some things were great. Some things were not.
Some things were great for a very specific group of people. Most things sucked for everyone else.
Less severe climate change, cleaner environment, no billionaires
I think those are pretty universal
Have you all ever seen the Monsoon Motor Lodge acid attack?
Facebook says this image is fine by them when Nazis post it, of course.
I regularly think about how many of our sweet loving grandmothers were the ones we see in the pictures hurling slurs at the tops of their lungs. How many grandfathers strung up the rope for the lynch mob.
These things all "ended" less than a century ago.
I'd like to know more about this Hot Donut Department
My mother used to refer to Indian owned motels as "Paki palace", used to tell me not to run away with a black man like the neighbour who was in a biracial relationship did, and I distinctly remember a family friend yelling "run you N word run" when an African guy was running an Olympic race on TV.
So that was all really fun.
Well my grandparents wouldn't have been allowed in that shop, given there was an embargo in the us against people like my grandparents until 1943, though its not at all why my grandfather hated America and Americans for most of his life.
Your point is well taken about not being allowed in the country, but I have a feeling that this may have been later than 1943 based on the non violent reactions of the racists and that this looks like a sit in. Sit-ins were a key part of the civil rights movement in the 50s and 60s but I don't know how prevelant they were before that.
Could be wrong. If someone knows for sure lmk
HOT DONUT DEPARTMENT
For a second I thought they had their own police outpost.
Were any of these kids found and interviewed later on in life?
The kids getting abused, yeah.
https://www.crmvet.org/nars/greensit.htm
The kids doing the abusing - strangely, no. No one’s interviewed them so far as a quick search could tell.
Interestingly, the waitress not pictured here was interviewed for StoryCorps. https://storycorps.org/stories/woolworths-lunch-counter-waitress/
That was in Jackson, MS, as opposed to the Greensboro one.