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Valve has moved quickly to outlaw automated keyboard features.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is 100% justified.

These types of features have been regulated in fighting games for a long time. The ideal situation here would be for Razer to open source their firmware and establish a community-driven approved firmware design and let valve greenlight a specific configuration which can be parsed by the game's executable (or, for tournaments, can be flashed for valid gameplay).

That's my 2 cents at least.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Are you going to ban mice that are too light? How about super low latency peripherals? Are monitors next? Is there a limit for the specs on those?

I really can't see how this makes sense for you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It's scripting to change your character movement. The super light mouse doesn't move itself. How is that even comparable in your mind?

Imagine if you had a mouse that stopped moving when your crosshair passed over an enemy. Is that acceptable?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Games are defined by the limitation imposed by them.

You might arguably do all that if you are competing at extremely high skill levels tbh.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The problem is that these create input events on behalf of the user. forexample: When pressing A while still having D pressed, the keyboard sends a KEY_UP=D event even as the user is still pressing D.

As for your comparisom, lowering latency is something different, if anything it's attempting to make the users actions registered more accurately.

Do note that without this kind of processing, the games already knows that D is still pressed while A is presses, and they decide how to act on it. Games handle this differently, a common one being both keys as "stand still".

So we're:

  1. creating new input eventson behalf of the user
  2. tricking the game to to avoid a state the devs have intended
  3. resulting in a huge advantage for the player.

In my opinion this should be implemeted on a OS level for all to use, but I don't struggle one bit to see how this is disruptive and a no-go in competitive games.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I give it less than a week before someone has code for this exact feature in QMK. It won't be as detectable as looking for "Is using Razer Keyboard".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

i’d imagine it’s pretty detectable anyway… if the point is pushing a or d without any break between them, that’s real easy to time in software: no human is going to be perfect every time

sure, then comes the arms race of circumventing by adding some delay, and some variance in the delay time, but no large hardware manufacturer will just include it at that point and it’ll be obvious it’s a hack rather than an acceptable feature

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

I disagree on this change but I can see why it was made. Having keyboards with processors is a slippery slope.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

A comment I see nobody making is that this will negatively effect disabled gamers and prevent the use of accessibility tools.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I refuse to wrap my mind around “professional” video gamer.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So guess you can't fathom professional chess players, professional race car drivers, professional footballers, professional boxers, or professional athletes of any sort for that matter?

They're all games.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I’m going to pretend that we’re not now trying to call button-mashing “athletic.” Such exertion!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Yep, because professional chess players are well known athletic masterpieces 🙄

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The term "professional" has nothing to do with athletics...

As long as you're getting paid to do it you're a professional something. Just means it's your profession.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I get the common usage of the term. It just seems weird that society is so bored that it’s willing to pay people to play games. although It’s probably no different in the abstract than paying any other performer or service provider for entertainment. I guess it’s fun to watch?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago

I guess it’s fun to watch?

No shit, Captain Obvious

[–] Detheroth 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hundreds of years ago, society was so bored that we all gathered together to watch people kill each other in an arena. If we were lucky we would get to see bloodshed and the emperor will release the lions!

Humans have been playing games far longer than the digital age has been going on for. Why would anyone pay to watch people throw a ball around for hours? I guess it's fun to watch?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Hundreds of years ago, society was so bored

I think "thousands" would be more accurate. We only have written records going back a few thousand years, and what we've gathered from what went on in Göbekli Tepe and other such places, they pretty much did something just for fun as well. I think trying to chase away the feeling of being bored is a quintessential human trait. In other words, our need for novel things is what actually elevated our species to be unlike any other.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree that it’s a little weird but it’s no more weird than professional sports.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You say this like professional sports haven't existed for literally millenia

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bread and games.
Entertainment is a huge market.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So it's about the amount of physical exertion, not about it being a game?

So you can't wrap your head around the concept of professional chess players? Professional poker players? Darts? Curling?

Hell, in rally, you just literally sit in a car. Such physical exertion! (And I'm Finnish and have been in an actual rally car, before you're going to try and make a point about how physically demanding you think it is.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Hey hey, you leave curling out of this. You go sweep a rock until it barely crosses the hog line a few times and check your heart rate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

So now it's about heartrate? Playing Mario Kart and Dark Souls can get your heartrate into the 120+ range. And that's casual videogamers, playing simple games.

https://www.esportwissen.de/en/performance-in-esport/

During professional competitive play, heartrates go up to 180+ bpm. That's on the level of racing car drivers. Way more than chess, archery, or shooting of any sort would ever have.

So guess the Turkish shooter doesn't qualify for you either? Archers? Magnus Carlsen isn't a chess professional, he's just a really lucky dude with a lot of money for some random reason?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Curling is at least a legitimate sport.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Chess is an athletic competition?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The future is now old man. What is your take on professional chess player?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

More like captain obvious troll. Find better bait, this shit is low quality

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

That’s cool granddad, you must be such an open minded and pleasant individual

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man, you really pissed off a bunch of yahoos who scream "hax" while getting teabaged

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I did seem to find a soft spot, didn’t I?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I refuse to wrap my mind around “professional” ~~video gamer~~ ~~sports athlete~~ ~~musician~~ ~~dancer~~ ~~sculptor~~ ~~painter~~ ~~writer~~ etc.

People are called to create content. The style of content has changed throughout history, but there have been people saying the same as you for as long as art has existed. The fact that creators have found ways to monetize that content is a net boon to society, because it means we’re truly in an age where art and entertainment can be consumed and appreciated, while the artists and creators are able to focus on their content creation full time.

A key defining factor of the renaissance era was that artists were actually properly funded and could focus on their art without being bogged down by a day job. And that’s a large part of why there is so much impactful art from that time period.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you’re an artist yourself or if your handle is meant to poke society’s nose. :)

Either way, yes, I know what art is. I also know that it is very much in the eye of the beholder. I just don’t happen to agree that playing video games rises to either an art form or a profession. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If playing a game pays the bills, why shouldn't it be a profession?

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