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Just in case you had any doubt about whether he intends to stage another coup attempt if he loses.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The modern equivalent of

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(This was at Madison Square Gardens in NYC in 1939)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

With the caveat that the calls are coming from inside the house, this time.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They were then, too. You don't think all those attendees hopped an ocean liner over from Europe for the occasion, do you?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Given the number of German ex-pats living in the US in 1939, this isn't entirely far from the truth. The first world war and the subsequent economic collapse drove a huge wave of European immigrants to the Americas. The Nazi movement in the western hemisphere was driven in large part by German Nationalists at home appealing to the sympathies of their peers throughout North and South America in order to raise money and build international trade relations to power the revitalized German industrial base.

The current iteration of American fascism isn't something we imported. Its got roots that go deep into the Goldwater/Reagan revolution of the late 60s/early 70s (and beyond, tbf). The hysteria aimed at Latin American migrants stems from our dirty wars south of the border intended to suppress socialist revolutions that threatened to upend cheap fruit production. The guns-for-drugs trade that followed further exacerbated the American fear of day laborers and seasonal agricultural workers was inflamed by American crime TV and talk radio. This wasn't some German propagandist sending over his best hatchet men to stir up xenophobias at home. It was purely a product of American white nationalists stirring the pot.

Trump is an entirely American expression of the fascist state. Fully clutching the cross and draped in the American flag.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was pretty sure that the biggest wave of German immigration to the United States was before WWI (including some of my ancestors, BTW), but I decided to double check and yep, Wikipedia agrees with me:

The largest flow of German immigration to America occurred between 1820 and World War I, during which time nearly six million Germans immigrated to the United States. From 1840 to 1880, they were the largest group of immigrants. Following the Revolutions of 1848 in the German states, a wave of political refugees fled to America, who became known as Forty-Eighters. They included professionals, journalists, and politicians. Prominent Forty-Eighters included Carl Schurz and Henry Villard.

The Wikipedia article seems to have a gap where it doesn't say how many Germans immigrated in the 1920s, so I looked further and found this:

As for the 1930s, Wikipedia says that "many [German immigrants] were Jewish Germans or anti-Nazis fleeing government oppression," but also that "about 25,000 people became paying members of the pro-Nazi German American Bund during the years before the war." Looking at the chart, 25,000 would be only a small fraction of the total number of Germans who immigrated between 1918 and 1939. (However, according to that group's article, only American citizens of German descent were allowed to be members, so that figure isn't relevant to the number of recent German immigrants who were Nazis, despite the first article's implication.)

TL;DR: I think the notion that those 20,000 Nazis filling Madison Square Garden were mostly post-1918 German immigrants is... unlikely, to say the least!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

TL;DR: I think the notion that those 20,000 Nazis filling Madison Square Garden were mostly post-1918 German immigrants is… unlikely, to say the least!

about 25,000 people became paying members of the pro-Nazi German American Bund during the years before the war.

I mean, those numbers seem to tie out pretty neatly.

Looking at the chart, 25,000 would be only a small fraction of the total number of Germans who immigrated between 1918 and 1939.

Sure. But I'm not in any way suggesting all German migrants were Nazis. I'm saying that the American Nazi Party was primarily composed of first and second generation German migrants, heavily influenced by the media originating from their nation of origin.

In the same way, not everyone who moves from New York to Texas stays a Yankees fan. But most fans of the Yankees down in Texas have some familial relationship to New York.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

awww, he didn't care about me for 3.5 years but now before the upcoming most-likely-to-lose elections he does, so we're good -these traitors probably

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Republicans have been pretty enthusiastic in defending and absolving their fascist street thug friends. Abbott recently pardoned Daniel Perry, a guy who showed up to a BLM march and shot a woman pushing her boyfriend's wheelchair, on the grounds that she appeared threatening to him.

Trump judges have been generally more lenient to J6ers when possible, leveeing minimal sentences when they cannot simply acquit the defendants.

And these guys have received millions in money from private far-right donors to finance their legal defense.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

At those prices it sounds like a grift to drum up money from desperate people facing prosecution for their actions during the attack on the capital along with other seditionists.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

💸🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

It sure is. There will be a cost associated with being there. Ticket purchase, a meet and greet with the former Cheeto in Chief, more money if you want a souvenir photo.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

Trump will host an ‘awards gala’ for rioters who stormed the Capitol on January 6

Didn't the courts already do that? I could have sworn there were some big winners already.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

I don't get it... is he gonna have it IN the prisons, or just give the awards in absentia?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Sounds like he is helping the FBI out on a sting operation in exchange for a lighter sentence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Totally not weird

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Oh my gosh! This sounds like it could go badly for his campaign in so many ways.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

The top nominee for the weird as fuck party doing shit that’s weird as all fuck. No surprise there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Imagine being awarded a $20 McDonald's gift card by Donald Trump himself and finding out it was already redeemed when you go to use it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

"Accessory after the fact."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Just pushing away anyone on the edge. Gotta love it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Tbf heralding them as national right wing heroes now is a great way to radicalise his supporter base for when he calls for the jihad

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I could've sworn I read somebody here suggesting this exact thing a few days ago as a joke.