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[–] [email protected] 283 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Immagine if Chrome wasn't just a rinky dink Safari emulator!

Wow, can't wait to not only have my data harvested by Apple but also Google!

FFS, stop cumming for Chrome and start using Firefox!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (8 children)

There's no Firefox engine for iOS and Mozilla says it doesn't make financial sense to port it.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did they say that? Cause it looks like there is at least some work being done on this:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

There's been talk about exploring porting the engine to iOS at the beginning of 2023 but AFAIK the current state of things was that it's a significant undertaking and probably not worth it just for the EU market.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

In two years time Apple, and every other smartphone manufacturer on the EU market for that matter, will be forced to make the battery user replaceable and that one will most likely benefit everyone; unless Apple wants to release two versions of every iPhone to comply with EU regulations which they won't.

[–] [email protected] 115 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just like with USB-C, which the EU regulated and now the iPad and IPhone have.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 7 months ago (2 children)

the stupidest thing is iPad had USB-C since 2018! and yet on iPhones they latched on to lightning for another 6 years before EU forced them to standardize

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That’s because they’ve been pushing the iPad as a sort of Mac Lite, but they can’t do that unless you can plug peripherals or a thumb drive into it. You can 100% plug a USB-C laptop dock into an iPad, and it’ll work. You can even use a mouse with it if you really want to.

But they wanted to keep Lightning around as long as possible, because they made a commission on every single lighting cable that was sold; Companies had to license the rights to use the connector, and had to pay Apple for every one they used. That’s why Lightning cables were always a few bucks more expensive than a comparable USB-C cable. That extra few bucks was going straight into Apple’s pocket. It was a huge source of passive income for the company, which they were reluctant to let go of.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

They were keeping their promise of 10 years of Lightning ecosystem support. Dropping the old iPod connector was highly controversial.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They were earning millions from lightning royalities

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And they promised to do so for at least 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

we promise we'll use the inferior, proprietary connector

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

we promise we'll use the inferior, proprietary connector

Honestly Lightning wasn’t inferior when it launched in 2012, two years before the design of USB-C was even published. And in some ways I actually prefer it physically (though obviously I would much rather all my devices use USB-C now as it is a much superior connector).

Lightning was reversible where Micro-USB was not, and Lightning’s female port is entirely a hole that the entirely-a-prong male plug goes into, whereas with USB (like with most connectors) the female side has something sticking up inside it that slots into the male plug. This means Lightning is much easier to clean, which becomes necessary because phones in people’s pockets collect lint.

I’m thrilled that iPhone has moved to USB-C, but people forget how much better Lightning was than both the 30-pin iPod connector AND Micro-USB.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely it was better. But it’s hard to believe that Apple, who was a part of the USB-IF, didn’t know USB-C was in the works. My conspiracy theory is they knew an open standard was imminent and launched lightning to keep getting those MFI licensing checks and purposely made that long of a commitment strictly so, when regulators asked why they hadn’t switched to the new standard yet, they could say it was to “help the environment.”

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

no no no, that was just Apple being brave /s

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When they do come to it. I hope its the easily swappable like the ones in Nokia 3310. Otherwise its pointless imo.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

AFAIK, the EU defines "user replaceable" as literally that; you open a hatch, pull the battery out and stick a new one in.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Fuck, let's hope they at least allow screws. Click-in latches are prone to breaking and wearing out

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Meh, most iPhones live in a case, it'll be fine

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)

How many often are you planning on replacing the battery in your phone that it would wear out the panel?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The ware would most likely come from someone that has a spare battery that is ready to go. Think of your phone burning 80% of the juice and you’re about to hop on a flight that you’re barely going to make (no time to charge). Slap that stand by battery in and off you go. That’s what I did with my old Nokia or blackberry back in the day. Oh and for my HTC aria.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Unfortunately, they do not define it that way.

And there are exceptions based on capacity and how long you guarantee the battery capacity will be good for. IIRC, if it still has 70% capacity by 3 years time, it doesn't have to be replaceable at all.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Hopefully they keep selling a phone with no user replaceable battery. Id rather have the weather proofing than a battery i need to swap out one time after owning the phone for over 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Why only 4 years? The fairphone 5 is water resistant and has a replacable battery. The Samsung Galaxy S5 was fully waterproof and had a replacable battery.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

How many times has your phone needed the weather proofing in the last 4 years? Mine is 0, at least twice. On the flip side, I have needed a new battery 2 times.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ive needed the IP68 rating a handful of times. I have needed a new battery zero times on my 4 year old phone. If I need the battery replaced, Ill just take it to apple and have them swap it out.

Its still at 70% usability, which still lasts me all day.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

That's the thing though, why is apple the only ones authorized to swap out your battery? That service isn't free, and they're massively overcharging you for it.

It's also not impossible to build a phone that is water resistant and has a swappable battery, but that's besides the point. Personally I'd rather have a swappable battery.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Not a good argument. This is like saying why do we need airbags because I have never used it. We need to have both the features, with water proofing being more critical.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The two features are not mutually esclusive. I owned an S5 which was waterproof and had replaceable battery more than 10 years ago. It did not seems too hard to do

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Begging iPhone to play the catch up game and just have Android's basic features lol

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Except that many Android phones also don't have replaceable batteries anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hope it doesnt lead to smaller batteries though. It feels like it could since they have to put the battery so it's accessible.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But it'll also allow you to just carry 2 batteries and swap if needed. Even if you don't want to do that, when your battery ages enough that you can't at all go through a typical day, you can easily change it out yourself to a fresh one to refresh your phone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately it won't.

This legislation isn't for batteries that replaceable. More like "can be swapped by a technician in 5 minutes" replaceable.

Additionally, if the manufacturer guarantees (IIRC) 70% capacity after 3 years, they don't have to do anything at all.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, here he is. I was worried for a second we’ve lost him.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I switched from android to Iphone and there is nothing I miss, I certainly don't miss how shit the the usb in-ears were on android, all of them haf issues

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I feel so lucky to have never bought into the apple mobile ecosystem every time I have to test any of my web apps on iOS safari. What a shit browser (which you have no choice but to use).

Not to mention having to own several special lightning shit cables to support my test devices. 🤮 They only switched to usb-c because the EU forced them. That detail alone is enough to know what a shit line of products they are cultivating.

But yeah takes me about one second to miss my android device

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago

The more they get regulated, the better their stuff becomes*. It's wild that people are on the side of Apple for a lot of this stuff, most prominently probably with third party app stores supposedly "decreasing security".

Sent from my MacBook :^)

* At least when it comes to consumer rights regulations. I'm still mad about China demanding they remove the option to accept AirDrop from everyone without a time limit on iPhones and Apple then implementing that restriction globally for whatever godforsaken reason.

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