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Hey guys, it was brought up in a report that NSFW tags should be applied to posts depicting drug use. What do you guys think? I could see it either way and thought you guys might like to weigh in on it. I personally don't find it particularly offensive but my work environments have never been the type to react strongly to something like this popping up on screen (I think they might be more upset about being on Lemmy at all). Currently there is no rule, and I am fine with that, unless feedback indicates the community would rather play it safe and require the NSFW flag.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 months ago (7 children)

NSFW has typically been used for things that are visually disturbing, like gore and sexually explicit materials. Using it for ideas that aren't safe for work feels like it would devalue the tag.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (7 children)

What about a person injecting themselves? I don't think anyone is necessarily complaining about smoking, but personally I don't exactly want to be seeing pictures of people injecting themselves or others, others especially, without any potential warning.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

You’re not going to get fired for looking, at work, at a picture of a person injecting themselves.

That is the basis of the NSFW tag

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

So you also have an issue with people breast feeding in public?

The human body is not something to be ashamed of, the only reason why you think injections are bad is because of war on drugs, people inject themselves or get injections with legal stuff all the time. Vaccines…?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how you got here from there, but that's a pretty weird take.

Many people, perhaps even a majority, are grossed out by needles, in a similar way to blood or other physical injuries. I think warning someone about that is only fair.

NSFW should be used to warn against things that are visually disturbing, not ideas or concepts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And people don’t have trauma related to drinking?

Do we need to nsfw spiders? What about other phobias…?

What you find non-disturbing other people will. That’s a very ignorant take.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't have any trauma related to needles, and I've had plenty of injections and blood tests over the years. I still find needles gross, like I would any other wound, and based on what's happening in the thread, I'd say that's a pretty common belief.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes and I’m pointing out that other people have other fears, which you’re ignoring.

Quite the hypocrite eh?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You mentioned people having a fear of dogs previously. Do you think a dog actively biting someone should be NSFW?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Censor it! Most things can be unsafe for work. What if you are a formula one driver?? You should not be breastfeeding while driving a gazillion miles per 860 seconds

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most people who need insulin administer it very differently from people injecting heroin, for example. I am sorry for people that do need insulin injections, but I don't really want to see that without any warning on my frontpage.

Diabetics I have known that do require insulin injections also usually have a device that covers the needle similar to what an epipen looks like. The needle itself is not actually very visible, and the injection site is often clean and not swiss cheese.

Basically, I don't exactly want my frontpage to assault my eyes with heroin addicts posting pictures of themselves shooting up because they think its totally fine to post that since there is no rule requiring that to at least be NSFW tagged.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

An injections an injection. I’m sorry you think there’s a difference.

I don’t like seeing people drinking on my feed, that’s a drug too. But ones apparently acceptable and ones not? Its probably because of people who think for some reason that natural human functions are to be looked down on.

People draw arbitrary lines for everything, smoking a cigarette is fine, but a joint isn’t for those same people. You are apparently part of this hypocrisy group.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (9 children)

One involves poking a hole in someone's skin, which a lot of people get the heebie-jeebies about. NSFW should be used on things people find visually disturbing.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think you are on the right train of thought for this. A real person injecting themselves probably should be considered a NSFW image but a cartoon/meme character shouldn't be.

Ideally we would have NSFW, NSFL, and something like NSFG (Not Safe For Grandma) tags.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah I don't think people have much of a problem with a cartoon or a meme, as long as it isnt a real photo of a real person (or AI generated/whatever, looks real).

Not sure about NSFG tag though, I think that umbrella is too large. Also, depends on the grandma.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That possibly counts as gore, regardless of whether the drugs are recreational or medicinal. However, there will be exceptions.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Maybe stick to Instagram

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The tag is for warning people browsing at work not to click... Using it to prevent someone from clicking on a post that would be unacceptable to read at the workplace is exactly what it's for

It's not like it's censorship, it's just a warning tag.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

It also hasn't been used literally for a very long time.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

Would it be safe to look at, at work?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

My rule of tumb: if someone is walking by would they stop and backtrack and go "WTF are you looking at at work?!" if no then it's not NSFW. If it's just text it's not NSFW. ASCII art not withstanding.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

The internet is NSFW. Tags can't fix stupid.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

No, depictions of drug use aren't nsfw. And if we start censoring it, why not also start censoring other relatively harmless concepts like depictions of weapons or cursewords? We don't want this, and trying to enforce it would add additional, unnecessary work to both you and the admins.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Text is never going to need the tag. To the contrary, if you're at work reading text posts, and it's tagged NSFW, it draws the eye more.

Tagging text posts would defeat the entire purpose of the tag in its useful purpose.

Drug use isn't NSFW anyway, not in images or text.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think that would be a bit much.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

I appreciate the many voices here. It seems like consensus is that the tag is not needed as a general rule. I want to be clear, also, that the NSFW tag is not censorship, but also doesn't seem necessary either. Thank you guys for chiming in!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

are we talking a joint? if so then it should apply to alcohol and cigarrettes. I can understand for injections. some folks are neddlephobes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I suspect that this may be partially a result of a recent post of mine that some may considered to be in bad taste. So this response is likely to be a bit biased.

For what it is worth, I considered tagging mine as NSFW but ultimately decided it was not necessary. I thought the image was very clearly a staged representation of drug use. Similar to how the Eric Andre meme is clearly a staged representation of murder. Further, there was no blood nor any indication of physical injury and I liked it to an image of somebody smoking pot or drinking to excess.

Do I think drug use alone require a NSFW tag? No.

Should drug coupled with blood, gore, physical injury, exploitation, etc? Possibly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

If you can't show the list to your boss then it should be marked nsfw

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I think it would be safer to have an NSFW tag, especially considering the different ways people use drugs and the various effects of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If you do drugs I would say that alcohol must be too, why one and not the other?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Just censor everything- it’s the internet after all and someone will be offended

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When in doubt, use NSFW. I don't feel good when people make memes about crack or users because it directly affects me. I stopped following a community because of that. Thanks for asking anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe we need a new tag:
ANFW absolutely necessary for work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

But seriously tho, yeah, NSFW in the absence of another more specific tag.

Some people are recovering from addiction and stuff, good to give them a way to filter it out

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well mate this tag is more useful to me around kids than in the office. Perhaps because I'm 100% wfh.

Anyways, I appreciate it also with gore images like certain Ukraine and Gaza pictures. So it's not just about work for me and others.

Now if we had a mandatory tag like this for politics I'd do the big brains meme and be soooo happy.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I think for issues like this it may be good to develop a practice of using the spoiler tag with a warning attached. This way it's up to the reader to decide if they want to read it and is flexible enough to cover all of the various use cases.

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