I wonder if they understand what they’re encouraging by making the punishment for protests harsher than the punishments for direct action…not that that’s any of my business…
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Huh, up to 10 years for disruptive protest? Looks like it's only 8 years for a planned arson as long as you don't hurt anyone.
In minecraft, that might send the wrong message.
Eh, I'm sure that my FBI guy and my Met guy have coffee together anyway.
Pfft, you've only got two guys? Amateur.
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This is just one of countless examples that we live in capitalist plutocracies — ruled by corporations and the richest family dynasties who make up their majority shareholders — masquerading as "democracies". Sure, you can vote, but your only options are pre-approved.
When the people causing genocide, war, and ecocide are untouchable, their entire rule of law is invalid.
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Humanity is in mortal danger because of conservatism. If you aren't fighting conservatism, you aren't fighting climate change.
To be fair, liberalism, while far better isn't remotely close to being an adequate solution, but we all need to kick the can down the road by picking whatever least bad option is available to us.
Well, that's the funny bit: the government in the UK aren't the Conservatives, they're New Labour who are Neoliberals, by the standards of the rest of Europe they're even Hard Neoliberals.
Nowadays the difference between Conservatives and Liberals is really just the subset of Morality that's used in Identity Politics. They're certainly not different on Economics, not on Quality Of Life for the many, not on a good Future for our Children (which provides a Selfishness-driven reason be an Environmentalist, which is better than nothing) and certainly not on Environmentalism as a Moral posture.
We get some loud confrontational bullshit from both around various "-isms" all the while they're both doing what's best for the most wealthy of society and screw the rest (both present and future) and definitely screw anybody or anything that has no money and no capability for action, such as Nature.
You see that exact same shit in the US, by they way, as well as (in not quite as extreme form) in most of Europe.
Neolibs sell us out to big oil just as much as neocons do. The root problem is capitalism. You cannot fight against climate change without fighting against capitalism
Neoliberals are conservatives. Sadly, we do not have a progressive party in the U.S., so we must choose one of the conservative parties.
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If you KILL these Big Oil people you'll get the SAME Amount of Prison time!
(If the FBI sees this I’m joking)
Totally approrpiate, since they're terrorists endangering the well-being of everyone and the planet. Wait...
I thought that was final Fantasy vii...
Meanwhile the UK still keeps on sending weapon shipments to an actively Genocidal Israel (they recently stopped but 20 out of 300 kinds of such exports).
It didn't took long to disprove the hopes of anybody who thought New Labour would be anything but a slightly less hard Right than the Tories.
There could be a feel good story about a kitten being saved from a well and you’d somehow tie it in to gaza.
Nice, an Appeal To Absurd Falacy in the wild.
Hadn't see one of those in a day or two.
It says a lot that you went for making fantastical claims about the messenger rather than for disproving the message.
The message is an important one to attend to. But not every post on Lemmy requires a reminder that gaza is a genocide or that people are enabling it.
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Bruh, I misread the title at first and thought Big Oil was sentenced but the reality is just sad and angering.
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I would be more likely to sympathize with JSO if they engaged in direct action against the oil industry instead of the general public. Stopping ambulances and electric cars in traffic does not get the world to abandon oil.
If you're going to commit a criminal offense regardless, at least target something that actively supports or benefits from the oil industry. They could go full Robin Hood, robbing businesses that support the oil industry and anonymously donating the proceeds to environmental causes. They could threaten car dealerships that sell ICE vehicles. While it is certainly illegal to burn down a gas station, at least that would be an attack on the object of their protests rather than the general public.
Nothing wrong with their stated cause, but their actions don't support that cause.
Evidence suggests that disruptive protests actually help, rather than hinder organisations like JSO:
It's all about raising awareness and facilitating discussions.
They would raise more awareness and facilitate more productive discussion and alienate fewer people and have a tangible, measurable effect by taking direct action against car dealership and gas stations.
The kind of "discussion" they have most "facilitated" is how to increase the penalties for impeding traffic. Their only "success" has been winning enough support for legislators to increase penalties and enforcement for "impeding traffic"
I mean, sure, but again the evidence suggest otherwise: https://www.apollosurveys.org/social-change-and-protests/
And as the articles I originally linked above shows the general public may think otherwise, which is understandable.
then why not embody the change you'd like to see. if it's truly a better way, go nuts bro.
because from here it just looks like "why don't they quit protesting and start blowing up oil facilities lol"
When black people fought for civil rights, they went where their civil rights were being infringed upon, they exercised their rights anyway, and showed the world the infringement. They didn't go into black communities and hassle black people just going about their days to "bring awareness" to the problem of civil rights infringement. Because that would be stupid. You don't harass the victims of infringement. You go after the perpetrators.
Now, the oil industry is victimizing the general public, and JSO... Is also victimizing the general public.
Fuck. That. Shit.
Target the oil industry, and get the fuck out of the street.
Nope. Targeting the industry alone isn't going to change people's way of thinking. Consumers who face no consequences for using a fuel that's rapidly warming and destroying the ecosystem need waking up too.
Sounds like this upsets you, boo fuckin' hoo.
And keep the black struggle for civil rights out of your fucking mouth, their work deserves better than you using them to shill for oil comfort.
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I can't imagine their prison sentences if they were actually thieves. Look at what they're getting for doing peaceful protests. People freak out when property is disturbed.
People freak out when travel is disturbed. They freak out quite a bit less when a big corporation that everyone hates happens to get targeted by environmental activists.
. . . that everyone hates so hard they give them loads of money.
I wish they all hated me like that.
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"do something, anything as long as it doesn't affect me"
"do something, anything as long as it ~~doesn't affect me~~ actually targets the oil industry.
FTFY.
Disruptions cause outrage
Outrage sparks discusson
Discussion leads to political pressure
Political pressure leads to action that targets the oil industry
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There have been direct actions recently - they get subjected to media blackout. If you want to shift public sentiment, you need eyeballs - they get eyeballs, and while responses are obviously mixed, they lean positive over time.
Personally, I believe that criticising the efforts of activists with whom you share a cause is one of the lowest things you can do.
If I think there’s a better way, then I go do it, or at the very least I would participate in that group and try to bring them around to my way of thinking.
I definitely would not publicly criticise them because that doesn’t actually help the cause, it just damages it.
But of course, I can’t hold people to the same high expectations I hold of myself.
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They literally DID. The fact you don't know about it shows why they also do their publicity stunts.
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when society turns on the people with a conscience, the people with a conscience should turn on society. stop playing nice.
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Disruptive protests are annoying and the best way to get people to hate your agenda. In Finland there's a group that actively protests climate stuff by taking control of the streets, making people getting to and off from work just annoyed.
You don't achieve change and can't further your goals by being a prick to the normal everyday people. All you achieve is them wanting nothing to do with what you are peddling.
Imagine this comment existing before woman's suffrage.
Mass protests are how change has always happened to the oppressed. The oppressed have always continued to be oppressed when they take the stance of your comment.
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Oh those damn Conservatives, such things would never happen under the rule of the Labour Party.
Right?
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Kinda relevant: from the latest Private Eye. Just a little insight to the background of the people pushing for this outcome.
The Heritage Foundation who would have guessed it would be in the mix.
I wonder what will happen to those prisoners once climate change gets even worse
Texas inmates are being ‘cooked to death’ in extreme heat, complaint alleges
With the threat of another hot summer ahead, advocates asked a federal judge to declare 100-degree-plus conditions in uncooled Texas facilities unconstitutional.
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The filing came from four nonprofit organizations who are joining a lawsuit originally filed last August by Bernie Tiede, an inmate who suffered a medical crisis after being housed in a Huntsville cell that reached temperatures exceeding 110 degrees. Tiede, a well-known offender whose 1996 murder of a wealthy widow inspired the film “Bernie,” was moved to an air-conditioned cell following a court order but he’s not guaranteed to stay there this year.
Concentration Camps.
I wish for the responsible judges, politicians and CEOs to get spat in the face by their own children for being the disgusting vile pieces of shit that they are. Sadly, too often, the apple does not fall far enough from the tree.
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