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Israel desperately trying to start WW3.
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Netanyahu is. The Israeli public is highly racist, but much less enthusiastic about total war than Bibi. Unfortunately, they don't get a say. This isn't a democracy.
I guess we'll never know, huh?
If tomorrow Netanyahu get removed from office, there are probably 10 or 12 other genocidal war-mongers who could take his place.
I agree that the Israeli public is far more split on this issue, but the ultra nationalists have a pretty strong hold on power.
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The people are damningly complicit with their leaders and killing others.
It is telling the world a very dangerous message.
I wanna push back on that.
Israel has a population of 5.2 million people, and 2 million of them are Arab Muslims.
The representation of Israel that we see in their media and culture is a reflection of Apartheid. It erases the presence and will of literally millions of people who are the target of the brutality that we're talking about.
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Tons of Israelis are critical of Netanyahu and don't want this anymore than most Americans wanted trump.
I always wonder when people post this: how exactly would this go down?
Say when Iran sends troops/ships/whatever to support Hezbollah and get into a fight with the US, which other parties with significant military power would side with them? Russia is tied up and probably incapable, North Korea would be unlikely to want to commit suicide by using their nukes over this, ...
Perhaps Erdogan would be the most realistic one but I don't think their military would be very eager to follow those orders
Turkey is a NATO member, they might talk a good game, but they aren't going to act against US interests. The blowback would be catastrophic for Erdogan and Turkey.
how exactly would this go down?
Israeli expansion draws a bigger fish into the conflict. Perhaps they start attacking Syria or Iran more directly. Perhaps they start bombing into Saudi Arabia or Jordan. Perhaps we see another collapse of the Egyptian military dictatorship due to unrest, and the replacement government isn't nearly as Israel-friendly as the current regime.
Then the US has to intercede. But as the US intercedes in the Middle East, it draws in more countries - fighting breaks out in Iraq to expel what remains of the US military presence, fighting breaks out between Greece and Turkey again as US naval assets are withdrawn from the region, Russia capitalizes on US arms assets slowing down in Ukraine and makes a big push into Kiev. The US has military bases all over the world, so you don't have to travel far in order to pull off a USS Cole style bombing.
You can see this spiral into a global conflict easily enough. We're already seeing low-key upheavels all through the central African states, the disputed territory of Kashmir, and the Chinese/Japanese contested ocean territories. When the Primary Imperial Power is engaged in too many fronts at once, that creates a lot of room for the various minor powers to reassert themselves.
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With the back of the west who would hands down win it thanks to the trillions of public money they spend on war. Watch out for the propaganda, iran or russia are not worst than us they are as much as bad.
Yeah how the fuck is this moving from Gaza, already a fucked up goings on in the world, to more and more of Lebanon? Why are governments of other countries still supporting this? What the actual fuck?
Why are governments of other countries still supporting this?
Why not? What are you going to do about it?
Israel has no sober friends.
Lebanese civilians and Lebanese homes are Hezbollah. It worked in Gaza, why wouldn't it work in Lebanon.
If you're not careful, you will be Hezbollah too.
Journalists and UN workers? That's right, Hezbollah
You know what would to be really, REALLY uncomfortable?
If Harris loses, there's a strong chance that it might be over this terrible war. What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency.
What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency and continue the war unchanged.
FTFY
What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency and continue the war, with even more support than ever.
FTFY
Evangelicals like the genocide, brings their death cult closer to its end.
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No. It will be so much worse.
Nah, your boy trump promises to end the war in mere hours (with industrial genocide).
So let's not vote for kkkamala harriss because we care so much about Palestinians.
The genocide in Gaza is bipartisan, and the ongoing atrocities are taking place under a democrat administration.
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Red and blue serve the same interests
Israel wants Trump. They know that Trump will supercharge their campaign and they are counting on Jill Stein to siphon off votes from Harris. That's why they've upped their campaign like this. They are goading Stein to get more press and convince more liberal voters. Because they know that, due to the significant democrat base that unreservedly supports Israel no matter what they do, Harris will never pull her support while campaigning but they are sure that if she wins Biden and she will start playing hardball to get them to stop and they don't want to stop, they want to wipe out all Palestinians. This has been a stated goal of theirs. And Trump and the Republicans will help them do it more than Harris will.
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unchanged
Getting worse means changes are required... Trump wouldn't make anything better but there is no reason to suggest Harris wants to make things better.
The harris campaign is openly hostile to the anti-war anti-genocide vote. They are not interested in trying to get our votes. If they make the calculation that they need the anti-war vote to win they will try to appeal to us but they have decided (so far) that they don't want us and don't need us.
Don't blame us for not voting for a candidate who doesn't want our vote and is actively hostile to our position.
So you have three options, all having a bad outcome on the most important thing you care about.
One of the options maybe has better outcomes on some other things you care about.
Another option has bad outcomes in almost everything you care about, plus maybe even a worse outcome to your most important thing.
The third option is to leave it up everyone else to pick between the first two.
I know what I'd pick, what will you do?
You're absolutely ignoring their comment. If democrat voters showed a spine and conditioned their vote to an end to the genocide, the democrat leadership may decide that it's worth it to cater to these voters to win the elections if that's what they want. By enabling all their actions through "vote blue no matter who" you're just degrading the democracy further, and postponing the choice 4 more years during which nothing will happen.
"If we hold the country hostage, they'll definitely do what I want before the opposition makes everything irreversibly worse."
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Biden:
WWW3 when?
Late October, Netanyahu will do whatever he can to help Trump win.
Let's not forget that they bailed on ceasefire talks a few weeks ago because former president, and private citizen, Donald Trump violated the Logan Act by calling Netanyahu and telling him not to accept the ceasefire.
World Wide War 3
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I really hope US citizens start protesting in grand scale because of this. I hope they have it in them.
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Well, we wouldn’t want them to run out I guess. /s
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