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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The power a government has over you, and the power your employer has over you, are totally different.

The government is legally authorized to separate you from your possessions, your freedom, and even your life in extremis. Your boss can't do any of that and if they try the government should stop them.

Some people believe democracy is what prevents the government from punishing you capriciously, or allowing corporations to just do whatever they want to you. So they are willing to die to defend it.

I would say traditional liberal ideals are closer to what they'd want to defend than democracy itself, and I don't 100% agree in either case, but I can see the point of view.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not sure I'd die for democracy.. it's a popularity contest where 80 year old millionaires compete to see who looks best in a suit.

Freedom, sure. But that's not the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

You're describing a representational democracy. What do you think about direct democracy?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

That's elections, democracy is a system of government by consent

But I agree with the current state of US and UK politics, 2 party systems are only better because a 1 party system is even worse

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (8 children)

You think working for a corporation is the same as living under a dictatorship?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, this thought is someone trying to compare apples to oranges.

Then there’s the throw away comment of how you barely know anyone there, that’s a personal thing. I work for a small company now but I used to work for a hospital with over 2,000 employees, I didn’t know most of them but I knew the 100 or so people I interacted with pretty well and did things outside of work with many of them on more than one occasion.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

As I walk through the front door of my air-conditioned office building and say hello to the receptionist I can't help but feel this is just what it was like living under Marcos or Pinochet.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

To the level that the corporation has control over your life, yeah. What do you think banana republics are? The more the company can control your life, the more its undemocratic nature becomes apparent. Working for a small company in a competitive market might not look like a company town, but it has the same fundamental structure as one. The main difference is that the small company has to offer a good deal to their employees compared to competitors. If the company is the only hirer in town, then they'll suddenly not have as much motivation to treat you well. If they control the housing, means of travel, and cops as well, you're basically enslaved.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I have a problem with the willingly in this thought.

The issue is that people are pretty unwilling to be homeless or starve if there's an alternative (no matter how terrible).

Working is the worst way to prevent yourself from starvation and homelessness except for all of the others.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

But we don't need to accept a dictatorship to work. We should be working towards democratizing the workplace, forming unions, and creating worker owned businesses.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The overlap of people willing to let themselves be beat down and exploited at work, and the people that would actually fight and die for democracy is slim to none.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Resource extraction companies are notoriously bad employers. I'd bet there's more of an overlap in those sort of jobs.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lots of people are not willing to die for democracy, some even fight against it out of ignorance or powerlust.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (36 children)

That's not what dictatorship means

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Workplaces are structured without democracy by default, and adding democracy can be helpful to workplace problems.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's... not weird at all. Democracy is a form of governance that permeates all our lives and controls the state that has a monopoly of violence that can be used against us and take away our rights. It's not something we can opt-out of so it's important that everyone has a say in it.

Small groups forming to do things like commerce or non-profits or whatever are completely voluntary and can't take our rights away. The fact is, these authoritarian-like structures are efficient and effective. Even employee-owned corporations tend to organize this way by electing the officers.

Would love to see more companies experiment with democratic organizations though.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.

-George Patton

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We have a choice not to work?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Choosing death by starvation is not a choice. Work or die, slave.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On which border is it common to cross from a democracy to a dictatorship for work?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I think the idea is that most workplaces are dictatorships

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Careful you might start thinking about democratizing the workplace. If you start doing that you might wind up one of us filthy syndicalists

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Frankly, I'm a coward. There's very little I'd be willing to die for and democracy certainly isn't one of those things.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I'm not prepared to die for democracy.
I'd rather live my life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

The dominant cultural ideology blinds us to the obvious contradictions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

You can go to work for yourself, you can’t fork your own country.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I don't have a choice. If I wanna do the kind of work I enjoy and pays enough to feed my family, I have to submit to corporate dictatorship.

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