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[–] [email protected] 146 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Basically:

Die quietly so Dems don't look good for helping

She's legit asking people to martyr themselves over a talking point most republican voters would never hear...

[–] [email protected] 54 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd forgotten about that shit. Very Lord Farquaad of him.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I thought this started with Captain Brannigan.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Hey, if it means fewer Republican voters in this country...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Completely irrelevant... I read it as "moist Republicans" and.. yeah, I prefer it. I want to believe they're mostly moist in a very uncomfortable way.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

The ones who need FEMA help are likely pretty uncomfortably moist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

If they martyr themselves before voting, I'm good with it.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Serious question:

Why is she telling people to not ask for FEMA?

[–] [email protected] 91 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

So, she isn't saying not to ask for disaster assistance per se, she's saying not to comply with FEMA.

Given Loomer's other quite conspiratorial beliefs, my guess is that she believes FEMA will round them up into internment camps and then either use them as slave labor or forcibly reeducate them.

FEMA is one of the conspiratorial right's long existing bogey men. Based off of I think some executive orders signed under both JFK and Reagan, if a extraordinary national disaster or state of emergency is declared, the President has the power to relocate people to FEMA camps.

What this actually is, is basically in the event of the Soviets nuking the entire country to shit, basically martial law is exercised and the President gains a whole bunch of direct control over and exceptional powers to direct many federal agencies toward the aim of keeping as many people alive as possible.

What conspiracy theorists think it is, is that basically arbitrarily at any point the President can use FEMA to round up and 'deal with' any kind of political dissidents. It was most often invoked as the way that gun owners would all be rounded up during some kind of total gun ban.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I remember when FEMA-as-villain was a thing in the X-Files. Wild that it’s a conspiracy that survived so long.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It features heavily in the DX franchise because ... well DX was written in Texas in the mid to late 90s, around the same time Alex Jones had a public access TV channel.

They quite literally could have just worked in half the conspiracies he mentioned, and that would have been about 80% of the more fantastical stuff.

I'd say they did a compelling job of weaving in batshit conspiracy stuff (it does make for dramatic storytelling, wild enemy types and locations) with ... fairly prescient actual stuff around the unchecked progression of capitalism and technology.

I can't believe I am saying this, but compared to a whole lot of modern media franchises, they actually did a lot of continuity work to make the FEMA thing make sense in HR as a plausible precursor to how much more widespread it was in the original.

I don't think it really features in IW at all, as by that point the US government doesn't... really exist, almost every where that still has a functional technological society is managed by a mixture of UN/WTO authorities and gigantic megacorporations.

Also I guess worth mentioning: DX accidentally contributed to conspiracy culture even further by 'predicting' 9/11.

When playtesting Liberty Island, enough people noticed that they'd cheaped out on the background worldbox/skybox by mirroring it, not including the Twin Towers, that they wrote it in a minor lore blurb that they'd been destroyed by terrorists in the early 21st century.

Game is set in 2052... but came out basically a few months to a year (depending on your region) before ... 9/11 actually happened.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

And there had been prior terrorist attacks or attempts on the WTC involving bombs in vans and such. So if you’re writing a fictional future dystopia, it’s not an entirely unreasonable speculation.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Also during hurricane Katrina, people getting raped and dying in the superdome, or whatever that stadium was in New Orleans, somehow really fed into the FEMA conspiracies. Though I’m pretty sure FEMA wasn’t even involved in that situation. IIRC It was local authorities, at least initially, that had directed people there without having any plan on how to handle them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The most insane thing I remember from Katrina was Blackwater authorizing themselves to respond to New Orleans, (they received official approval after they were already on site) where they didn't provide any aide or assistance, but set up sniper teams on roofs and above water overpasses and sniped people they deemed to be looters, as well as confiscating any guns they found.

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/08/secret-history-hurricane-katrina/

So I guess that kind of makes the 'black helicopters' conspiracy sort of true, lol.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Those same people upset about rape in the superdome don't care at all when it's homeless shelters

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I have had the misfortune of seeing some recent Fox News coverage of the FEMA response to places like Asheville so far.

It is entirely, 100% absent of any mention that the reason FEMA is underfunded and isn't doing more faster... is because congressional Republicans recently voted down a bill that would have given them more funding.

Its also full of ... I mean, legitimate disaster victims, but they are incredibly sanctimonious and whiney about how they aren't getting any help, and how somehow this us all Biden and the Democrats fault.

... I've spent a year homeless, seriously injured to the point of being crippled, and spent the last year living in a roach motel trying to figure out how to get any permanent housing or aid from any existing resources.

I have less than 0 sympathy for someone whining that they are just deserving of help, that it should literally fly out to them on a helicopter, that the government should pay to rebuild their house or rehome them, pay for all their lost property.

... Especially when said sanctimonious people almost certainly voted for people who they should have known would cut aid and resources to themselves, and would almost certainly be completely fine with someone like me just dying in agony.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

The right project, so probably it's a confession also of their own plans for FEMA

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'd assume the weird "Obama is going to use FEMA to set up concentration camps to round up all his enemies" conspiracy (Possibly updated to Biden, possibly not, they tend to also be the "Obama is using Biden as a secret third term controlling him from the shadows (and Harris will be an even secreter fourth)" type)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This goes further back than that. I remember the first x files movie really leaning into this conspiracy that FeMA could be used to basically take over the country. Of course back then conspiracy theories were fun and on the cringiest of folks actually bought into them. Not so much anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't that the conspiracy shit was fun, but that the X Files were a fictional TV show. Stargate uses a metric fuckton of conspiracy shit too in their world building but only complete loons would take any of that seriously.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Agree to disagree. Back in the 90’s there were plenty of fun conspiracy theory shows on discovery and other channels that weren’t in the same vein as ancient aliens or other shows out today which are trying super hard to prove the theories as fact. They were campy and fun and not hosted by coke addled pseudoscience psychopaths with fake degrees.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

The Lib agenda leaked

Step 1: Using evil lib magic, control the weather, like what MTG said

Step 2: round up True Patriots into Concentration camps thanks to FEMA

Step 3: ???

Step 4: profit.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Some of the "rumors" addressed on FEMA's site certainly sound dumb as hell.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

She is a Russian asset meant to harm the US as much as possible, including killing people impacted by climate change

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

They immediately started out the gate proclaiming that FEMA is doing nothing and letting people just suffer and die.

In order for the facts to fit the narrative, they need people to suffer and die in spite of any effort by FEMA.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I was reading the announcement by one of the towns in the area and Facebook responses. They said that power would remain out for who knows how long, that the main streets were destroyed and they barely made somewhat passable dirt roads, municipal water was out and well water should be considered unsafe, and so they strongly encouraged everyone to leave of they could possibly go elsewhere.

Replies from people seemingly actually from the community were basically saying they were sure if they left the federal government would eminent domain their land and they needed to stay to defend their property from those federal people.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

They should hope!

If your house is under a foot of mud and the town destroyed, the government buying you out sounds like a win.

In fact, it's a thing we do to prevent rebuilding in flood plains by stubborn people.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They will use any opportunity to use any worn conspiracy to shit on any government body.

This was during covid:

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Alex Jones has been freaking out about FEMA since at least the Obama years, including Walmart. They've been reusing old stuff for a long time now. His bird flu, ebola, and covid coverages have been similar over the decades to, always antivax and exaggerated. With Civid, he finally had a leader who did the wrong things to address it so he got to milk it far more.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

The news said the Trump org has distanced themselves from her.

Uncertain if it's true or not.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

She thinks the people of Appalachia are all a bunch of long-bearded Hatfield vs. McCoy types, doesn't she?

Edit: me brain stupid.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

Is she still catching the orange man’s cum in her mouth? I really enjoyed when they were rubbing on each other and making his campaign freak out. Seems like they must have sent her away.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If they follow her advice, it's on them. Stupidity has a price.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Darwin is beatboxing her tweet in his grave

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's easily disproven, any worms would starve due to a lack of substance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Could be eating other worms?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

The crazy conspiracies and misinformation coming out of this disaster are insane. I hate that people have nothing better to do than to straight up lie about things that can easily be debunked. The problem is that once people believe the lie, it's hard to get them to realize it was a lie.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Don't comply with help. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

What do you have against taking mushrooms?

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