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[–] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 135 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I mean, say what you will about cars but the sidewalk is a dedicated lane for pedestrians. Walk on the street, fuck around and find out.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Plus if you’re walking in the road walk against the flow of cars not with. That way if a drunk driver (or just general asshole) comes swerving down the road you can see it and react.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’d like to know why this was downvoted. Walking against the flow of traffic so you can see what’s coming is sensible advice.

[–] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Walking maybe, but bicycles that do this are morons. It’s been proven over and over that it’s unsafe yet they continue doing it — is no one curious about “hey I don’t know if that’s safe, I should check online?”

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Nobody mentioned bicycles.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

my dad always said: walk facing toward traffic, and make eye contact with drivers, so they can be haunted by your face for the rest of their lives if they run you over.

[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or you could just use the sidewalk?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (5 children)

A lot of the places I lived growing up didn't have sidewalks.

Rural roads man.

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Fuck around and find out is a pretty shitty attitude towards people sharing a street. Is that the excuse you will give a parent after injuring a kid that chased a ball onto the street? It isn't like this is a highway, people have homes on the street. The street is not exclussively for cars, cars just tend to get the most space and priority.

[–] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Don’t share the street is what I’m getting at. I can’t and won’t share the sidewalk with my car, why should I share the street with pedestrians? The picture in the OP is not a kid running into the street for a sec to get a runaway ball. It’s people walking down the street with a sidewalk mere feet away from them. This isn’t the 1800s where there is no sidewalk and you had to contend with horses. Now there are multiple thousand pound death machines. Have a little regard for your own safety and use the dedicated lanes for people.

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[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Walk on the street, fuck around and find out.

Maybe we need to bring back blóðhefnd . If a driver murders someone with their reckless driving, maybe they should live the rest of their life in fear that the surviving kin will do the same to them or their lived ones.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 107 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Walking on them is literally the entire purpose of sidewalks. I mean its right there in the name. This picture is exactly why - so they're safe from cars and don't obstruct drivers. Your opinion of cars is completely immaterial when determining who is being reasonable in this context.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't disagree with you on a rational level, but on a human level, it just sometimes feels nice to walk a different route, to not be forced to walk in exactly a straight line, especially with a ridiculously narrow sidewalk like that.

And that's then where the opinion of cars comes in. I'm not supposed to do what I feel like, because some guy with a car decides to head on through. If I think cars are vital to humanity, I'll gladly do the rational thing. If I think cars are killing humanity, then sincerely fuck that noise.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Holy Entitlement.

"Yeah, there's this whole path for pedestrians, and that whole path for cars, but sometimes I just want to be on the car one for no reason, so cars should be inconvenienced for that."

[–] bratorange@feddit.org 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

TBH I think that the demeanor of „why can’t I have 80% public city land for me“ sounds way more like entitlement for me. That is for me the reason why I found the original post so interesting.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

But for the current day driver trying to drive safely, the die is already cast.

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Do you have any idea how often pedestrians are inconvenienced by cars? We have to beg to cross streets and only where it is designated, busniesses are farther away and hidden behind vast parking lots, we are subject to their exhaust noise and fumes just about everywhere, and in many places we neglect nearly every form of travel that isnt a car.

It isn't like the car can't still get down the road, they just have to do it at a safe speed and be aware of the pedestrians. This is a neighbourhood not a highway.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These people aren't crossing the road, they're walking along it.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So they are road users? Pedestrians are not excluded from residential streets.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not legally, no. At least not in my state.

But they should be. This is ridiculous.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It is ridiculous that people are using the street in their own neighbourhood? Did you never get to play street hockey as kid? Maybe wheels chairs can't handle the cracks on the sidewalk? Do you really want to ban people from their own streets?

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[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How about we ban cars from pedestrian areas instead?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Cars are already banned from sidewalks.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

MLK argued that change requires agitation. Since cars should be mostly banned from pedestrian areas I fully support any effort to retake space and to inconvience cars. Any effort to make driving more painful for others chips away at car dependency

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

What a gross ideology.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Y'know what? You're right! Sometimes it's nice to drive a different route too, I think I'll drive on the sidewalk all the way to the store today, thanks for the encouragement!

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[–] Tobberone@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

I couldnt disagree more with you. If there are pedestrians nearby you drive slow and keep your distance regardless of where you drive.

The same goes for pedestrians, though. Don't walk where it's not safe, for everyones safety. Like the interstate. It's a shared responsibility.

This, however, is in the middle of a neighborhood where a ball and a kid could come flying at moments notice...

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can fit like 3-4 cars on there. Why not half that space and extend the sidewalk then? You could not walk next to each other on those or pass others, let alone someone in a wheelchair or with a stroller. Or better, have all the cars park outside of the residential areas and use the space for parks, playgrounds, and other leisure stuff.

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 87 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Posts like this are part of the reason why the rest of us don't take you people seriously.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 22 points 6 months ago

Comments like this are part of the reason why the rest of us call your delusional state of mind "car brain".

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 59 points 6 months ago

I kinda understand him. If I have a sidewalk, I use it, simply because I don't want to fucking get run over by a car. However, the comments are also quite disgusting.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I do that all the time here in Europe and nobody gets mad. It's such an immense space and I don't want to be relegated to 30cm of sidewalk. People hang out in the streets and car drivers are chill

[–] bratorange@feddit.org 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it still very much depends where in Europe you do that

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Italy, to be exact. Maybe doing the same in Germany would make me end up with a fine

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[–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I do the same in Japan. Most residential streets don’t have sidewalks so we share them with cars, pedestrians and bicycles. Some of the bigger streets have quite wide sidewalks (one car lane’s width or more) so I would use those.

But in this photo, the sidewalks are minuscule. I especially understand the dog walker choosing the road instead.

I’m happy that my town has started to widen sidewalks and reduce the width of roads to promote more foot traffic in the downtown area.

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[–] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago

We need a “fuck pedestrians” instance for this one guys

[–] bratorange@feddit.org 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I feel like many people commenting are not familiar with walkable streets. They have however been very common for most of the time in history. Using the sidewalk is not really a good substitute for that. I used to live in a neighborhood where there were so many people on the streets on weekends, that u wouldn’t want to drive there even if it was technically a street. The quality of life there was amazing especially in the evening and on weekends.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 29 points 6 months ago

But there is a sidewalk. I'm also wondering why these people are walking on the street

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

People from Bakersfield walk on the street, all over. Once you get used to it though it's really not that difficult to live with. I imagine if people still used roads for walking like before cars, we could figure it out.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Maybe they do it to slow down traffic. It’s clearly a residential area. It could be that speeding is a problem.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It's been tried and tested. Human bodies barely slow a car down. It's much better to place something solid, like a concrete block

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[–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

You don't deserve more space just because you bought F150.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We don’t have sidewalks in my community. Kids play in the streets and people are out walking on them all the time. Pushing strollers, walking their dogs, etc. The real difference is everyone is respectful. Cars drive slow and slow down more to go by giving extra space. Folks on the road move over and let the car go by. Kids collect up and move out of the way. A lot of the folks walking their dogs will step into the grass and wait. Everyone waves at each other. It’s like having a nice little community of friends that I never have to actually talk to. After living here for almost two years I strongly believe that I could stop and ask for help from any of them and I’d do the same. Kind of crazy reflecting on being that I’ve only ever talked to a few people, one of which only because she does crossing guard duties for the school crosswalk I take my son to in the golf cart.

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