Hey look, a foreigner actively engaging in voter fraud!
this post was submitted on 21 Oct 2024
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Next he’ll be eating dogs… right?
His emerald mine slaves may have to eat dog to survive.
More likely they get fed to the dogs if they misbehave.
They already have that position covered.
It's too fucking bad that the FEC is essentially powerless due to partisan politics.
Republican partisan politics.
Oh, 100% - I should have been clearer that this erosion of enforcement is entirely driven by the GOP and quite intentional.
Things like this are their goal when they use buzz words like relaxed regulation, "small government", and "free market".
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America badly needs electoral reform and viable third parties. This FPTP, pay-to-win system creates is such a dumpster fire.
Cool, so it’s fine if Mark Cuban does the same thing for the Democrats, right?
Right???
No. Is he though?
Of course he’s not, it’s a hypothetical question. It would be election interference if the Democrats did it.
The Republicans, however can ostensibly do whatever the crap they want without repercussions as the FEC looks on with their head all the way up their own sphincter.
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~~Idiots~~ Right-wingers will assert that George Soros is, no evidence wanted or needed.
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I see articles like this stating he has donated $0 and doesn't intend to contribute anything. He also calls out Musk for what he is doing.
According to OpenSecrets.org, which tracks campaign financing, Cuban last donated to a candidate in 2002, when he gave $1,000 to Democratic California Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren's campaign.
Of course, since most of the internet can't detect sarcasm, you're getting down voted.
Haha, oh well. As long as a few people see the obvious hypocrisy I’m trying to point out in our system. What does the FEC even do if not this kind of stuff????
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This is in contrast to the regular legal type of vote buying of course.
You mean like the practice of handing out water, watm beverages, and sometimes snacks to people stuck in long waiting likes to vote in mostly southern and majority, minority districts. If only giving a $1 bottle of water away for free was nearly as bad as giving away $1,000,000 to potential voters.
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Musk claims it is "a random $1 million payment each day to one registered voter" but is it really random or he is cherry picking 'specific' supporters?
I doubt anyone is getting money
"Another Melon Eusk won the daily lottery? Sure seems to be a common name!"
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Money is free speech
And Speech is free money. Source: Skyrim
In principle, the same is true for the real world.
It it one of my favorite silly thought experiments: what could someone do if they were persuasive enough? The answer is, in principle, pretty much anything.
Imagine someone with the Devil's charisma; they can literally persuade anyone into anything. Such a person, coming from nowhere, could be running the entire country in an afternoon.
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Walk to the White House gate. Persuade the guard to let you in to meet a staffer.
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Meet the staffer. Persuade them to let you meet with the president and vice president.
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Persuade the Vice President to resign, and persuade the President to nominate you as the new VP and set up a meeting with key house and senate leaders.
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Persuade the House and Senate to confirm your nomination.
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Persuade the President to resign.
In the real world, if they had a high enough "charisma score," anyone could literally become president in a single afternoon. They could be an absolute nobody with zero background in leadership or high office. But if someone had some demonic ability to just talk people into anything, they could be running the country in an afternoon.
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Garland: "I will treat this with as much importance as I do with everything surrounding Trump doing bad things...."
Accused of, huh?
Seems like it should have been " charged with"
I don't understand what's being implied here.
The petition states, "By signing below, I am pledging my support for the First and Second Amendments."
It says nothing about buying votes, pledging to vote for a candidate, or providing any proof that you voted at all. The only requirement is that you are registered voter in one of a handful of states.
As a registered democrat in PA, what's preventing me from signing the petition and getting some free cash? If I believe that voting for Harris is a vote to support the first and second amendments, which I fully do, what's the problem?
His purpose for providing the money is not just for you to sign a partition. It is to buy your favor and join him in voting for Trump. You are foolish if you think otherwise.
to buy your favor and join him in voting for Trump.
Where do you see this?
His entire push is for people to vote for Trump the money and the petition is for you to enter his camp. Stop playing dumb.
Not dumb. It's a legitimate question if we're talking legality.
Musk did go to a Trump rally and say specifically voting for Trump is to preserve your first amendment rights and then offered to pay for people to vote to protect their first amendment rights. That seems legally questionable to me.
You're ignoring my question.
The article, which is quoting someone on twitter, states that what he's doing is illegal because he's offering to buy votes. This is in contrast to what the petition actually states. There is no requirement for you to vote for anyone at all in order to get paid and enter a lottery. That is, unless you can direct me to something that explicitly, in writing, supports your claim.
Oh my goodness let me break it down for you. It is not just illegal to to pay people to vote it is illegal to pay people to register to vote. He is using a lottery system which pays people money to sign his petition the requirement to sign the petition is you have to be registered to vote. The Petition could say I like eggs. The petition is meaningless. The purpose is to get people to register to vote that are like minded to Elon using the possible payment of large sums of money. "Musk’s sweepstakes-style award is only available for registered swing-state voters who sign his right-wing PAC’s pledge." - https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/20/24274971/elon-musk-1-million-prize-america-pac-petition-voting-presidential-election
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Can’t you just take the money and then vote for whoever you want?
Yes you can. The focus is on getting people to register to vote that are like minded to Elon but you can play him and take the money.
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I read elsewhere that the issue was that you had to sign the petition to be eligible to win, and that you had to be a registered voter to sign the petition. So technically it was paying to get you to register. Which is not allowed.
I’m guessing it will also play into Trump’s voter fraud claims later. Use Musk’s petition as “proof” that votes for him weren’t counted/were converted to Harris/some other nonsense claim because it’s heavily implied if you’ve signed the petition that you would be voting for trump.
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“Clearly illegal” has become the new “our best iPhone yet.”
You can expect to hear it very regularly and also expect that it will make zero difference.
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Is this like that email that if you forwarded it, Bill Gates was gonna make you a bazillionaire, because he invented the Internet or something?
I’ll be more shocked if anything comes of it
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