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[–] [email protected] 199 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The first game sold millions without any drm. Naturally, they had to add denuvo for the second game.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Their publisher was bought by Embracer shortly after the release of Kingdom Come Deliverance, maybe they're to blame here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Fucking Embracer. They're a cancer on the industry

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Unless they push back from within, they will still suffer the backlash from not trusting the fan base.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because it seems that whatever statistics Denuvo is peddling show that more sales are secured, even if it's cracked in the first few weeks.

Idk how true that is, obviously, just outlining why they're buying into it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago

Doesn't need to be true, just convincing to some suits

[–] [email protected] 153 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The mistake was pre-ordering in the first place

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children)

While I agree, we shouldn't criticize people for learning and changing for the better.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We've had decades of pre-order shenanigans, you'd think every gamer and their mother would know to avoid them by now.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

True but we should be calling out the practice as anti consumet behaviour...

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Shh, if denuvo is what finally makes them learn then let's just let it play out.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I can’t wait for the day when Denuvo ends up scaring away more legitimate customers than it actually helps to sell the game. It seems like we are slowly getting there :')

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's way past that point long ago.

But shareholders don't understand that, so publishers will continue forcing developers to use it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're living in a bubble. Most gamers don't know and don't care about it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't see this as refuting the previous point because those who don't know nor care about Denuvo probably wouldn't be pirating the game regardless. Pirates and entrenched enthusiasts are the ones in the know, so the real question is how many pirates actually purchase games they otherwise wouldn't versus enthusiasts who refrain because of its inclusion.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

There was a recent report, it only helps during the first few months of sales according to a very flimsy study that was done.

It suggests that it only saves a mean of 15% total revenue during the first 12 weeks.

Though remember, these figures are all just theoretical projections of sales. Basically just "well we believe we should have made this much revenue. So if we don't make it, it means we lost potential revenue, not that we simply didn't make as much as we thought we would."

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

I can't wait until some major vulnarability in Denuvo pops up and either gets widely exploited or AV programs start to warn against it due to security risks

[–] [email protected] 98 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm still gonna play it. This just changes whether I pay for it or not.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago

The one you find while treasure hunting runs better anyway.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

You'll have to wait until the Denuvo license runs out, then.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Cracks for Denevo games tend to run better from what I hear

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but they still need to get cracked and there's about only two people we know that do it

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

And one isn't, because she got it in her head that people like her for her personality. Lol.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

It's not just petty, it's also about not supporting shitty companies & services for a better world tomorrow.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 5 months ago

Oh no, they're putting denuvo on it? Man I loved the first game. I don't think they even had anything close to a problem with piracy because it was a huge hit. Like, it not only did amazing for Warhorse Studios, but it made a huge tourism jump for the region.

That's a bummer, and as much as I want to support KC:D II, I can't support denuvo.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I seriously considered preordering, seeing how much I enjoyed the first installment. Fortunately Denuvo prevented me from doing so. I'll wait until that piece of trash is patched out, it'll probably be cheaper by that time as well. Thanks Denuvo!

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And it's not like a single player game gets worse over time. The player count is totally irrelevant and if 2 years from launch nobody is playing it it doesn't affect your experience at all.

This is a loss for Warhorse and a win for anyone that doesn't need to play it now.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Same. The first one is one of my favorite games of all time and I'm really looking forward for the second game, but fuck denuvo so very very much.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Pre-order and cancel it, just to make a point!

[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Imagine still pre-ordering games in 2024

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

(I apologize for the really long comment.)

I still pre-order, but I'm very selective. I only pre-order games I am 100% sure I'll enjoy it.

If something comes up in the months before release that makes me question whether I'll enjoy the game or not, goodbye pre-order.

There's also very few companies and franchises I trust enough to pre-order from. They're mainly the Kingdom Hearts (but only the "main" games; I'm not buying that rhythm game) and Persona (also only the main games, not the spin-offs) series. I also pre-ordered Metaphor (because I trust Atlus as a developer after having played all three games in the modern Persona series, and because I liked what I saw in trailers and what I played in the demo) and am actually enjoying it more than Persona.

To put it another way, I pre-order games from developers and directors I 100% trust to deliver a good game that I will enjoy immensely. Any less than that, and I will not pre-order. Like I said, I'm very selective. If I haven't played anything from the developer before, I won't pre-order. If they've broken my trust in some way, I won't pre-order. If I don't like what I see in the trailers or what I hear in the interviews, I won't pre-order. If I see that DRM will negatively impact my play experience (which admittedly doesn't have much of a chance of happening since I rarely play on PC), I won't pre-order.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (11 children)

But why? Why do you pre-order? Does it gain you something that waiting until the launch date doesn't provide?

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I also have stop being interested in games because of Denuvo. Understandable.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (5 children)

addendum: Denuvo is sick of “toxicity,” says people only hate it because it works

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

If driving away sales counts as "it works", then good for them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago

People are voting with their wallets. They were willing to buy it. But this effects them and made the game no longer worth it. Pirates will pirate regardless. But you just lost some of the genuine customers by effecting them, pirates will have a "better" version.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I learned it the hard way by buying Shadow of the Tomb Raider after pirating and liking it, the same PC ran the legit version like shit, I bet they only have nasa PCs over there to test the DRM on.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I hate it because it's just a sign of disrespect of the publisher towards the legitimate customers. Guess who has a better experience when the DRM goes to shit or slows down the game? Those who didn't pay.

I just won't be part of the first customers, I'll wait for the game to be cleaned up of this bs.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll just wait for it to show up DRM-free on GOG at a discount ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Will wait for crack then 👍

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

They're not getting any of my money if they keep Denuvo. As always, I'll just play something else.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Well this is really helpful. I loved the original KCD. Backed it, have it on GOG. Was hyped for the second one. Now I won't be getting it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I won't lie and say this is what's going to stop me from buying the game, because my computer not being able to run it was going to stop me from buying the game. So symbolically I'm with them I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

How does denuvo worl on on steam-proton set up?

Sandboxed?

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