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    [–] savvywolf@pawb.social 177 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Hey, you should be careful around Ubuntu fans. They might just snap.

    [–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 49 points 4 months ago

    *laugh track*

    [–] jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 102 points 4 months ago (3 children)
    [–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

    ❀️

    [–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    The cool thing about Arch is that with some learning, time and effort, you can make it function just like Ubuntu

    [–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know if serious or burn

    [–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

    No, I'm not serious

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    [–] starbrite@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago

    Careful with that XZ package

    [–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    That behavior fucking sucks actually

    [–] Rin@lemm.ee 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    If it works for you, i literally could not care less

    [–] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 4 months ago

    Best answer I've seen so far about this!

    [–] eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I was pretty neutral towards Ubuntu, up until an automatic system update removed my deb Firefox and replaced it with the snap version, even though I specifically set the apt repo to a higher priority.

    The entire reason I left Windows is because I don't want (for example) Edge shoved down my throat after every update, and yet Ubuntu has gone and done the exact same thing with snaps.

    After literal hours of fighting, the only solution I found was to fully disable automatic updates. With Pop OS I have all the benefits of Ubuntu, but I also get a company (System76) that does cool stuff and doesn't try shoving snaps down my throat.

    [–] accideath@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

    Yea, that’s pretty much the reason I always go for mint, when I need something that just works

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    [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Ubuntu is recommended by microsoft

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

    Damn, that amounts to corporate disparagement...

    [–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 4 months ago

    I learned better in 2012 when they tried to put an Amazon search bar in their start menu, the same thing people are complaining about with windows today.

    If I wanted to use corposhit I would have stayed with windows.

    [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I don't get why anybody uses Ubuntu. Just use Debian. It's basically more stable and functional Ubuntu, but without snaps and you don't need an entire distro branch for different DEs.

    [–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

    Because you don't have to know what to do already if you start with Ubuntu. You have to know your way around the Linux world more if you use Debian

    [–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Because it's a popular distro. Because when you look for β€œhow to X in linux”, there's a 90% chance the response will be about Ubuntu. Because your workplace said so. The list goes on.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Ubuntu is Debian with lipstick so that all still applies

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    [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I don't get why anyone uses windows 7,8,8.1,11, use Linux mint (windows 10 is replaced with a distro that uses kde plasma)

    [–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I don't get why anyone uses, my body makes my own chemicals.

    [–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I don't get why anyone makes chemicals when they could be using my body.

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I am still pissed at Ubuntu

    [–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 16 points 4 months ago

    As you should be.

    [–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.kya.moe 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I despise ubuntu solely because of snap

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    [–] edg@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Ubuntu in ~2015 was peak Linux (for me). Everything worked flawlessly with zero bugs, even printers. It's been downhill ever since with the exception of Steam Proton, but even then I've had more bugs with Steam in the past couple years then I did in 2013.

    [–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Canonical wants to be Microsoft so goddamn bad they can taste it

    [–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    By doing what exactly? Snap's server being proprietary doesn't affect anyone at all, what else?

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    [–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    it uses snap (less packages and security than flatpak), app.armor (less secure than Selinux), has a history of anti-privacy integrations (like sending user keystrokes to amazon), still collects some user data. Tumbleweed is better. Great kde implementation, strong security, a lot of cutting-edge software, stability, beginner-friendly

    [–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    False (except for less packages, that's true), false, the amazon incident was a honest mistake and only applied to the search bar in unity (even more specifically the amazon lense), and no data is being collected unless you enable it during the install. https://youtu.be/rdPt8WB1lZw

    Also are you serious? A rolling release distro with automated package builds being more secure? Last time I checked Tumbleweed got affected by the XZ exploit.

    [–] agelord@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    sending user keystrokes to Amazon

    That's a very serious allegation to make without citing any source.

    Still collects some user data

    Someone has already pointed out, no data is collected unless the user opts in. But, my question is what's wrong with collecting anonyomized telemetry about most used hardware and most used/unused software features? It helps developers make better decisions.

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    [–] soloner@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I can't tell if this in-fighting on Linux flavors is in good humor or just snobby opinions.

    [–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

    false dichotomy. Sometimes people justifiably dislike something for reasons beyond elitism (e.g. Canonical is a for-profit corporation that muddies the waters of FOSS), but it's also not just playful bants.

    Also, as with every opinionated topic: do your own research and think critically. Don't hate Ubuntu until you have tried it and have investigated those who maintain it. Don't praise it until you do so either.

    I don't care if you come to a different conclusion than me, as long as you didn't just function on the "wisdom of the crowd"

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

    Like most things in life, it's somewhere in the middle. Some of the criticism is factual and valid. Some, a matter of taste (mostly relating to GNOME). Some arises from negative personal experience. Some is just elitist bluster.

    The best thing to do is to be rational and critical. Never dismiss an opinion outright without separating the truth from the bullshit.

    [–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I think it's just elitism. The worst example is Chris Titus making a video where he explains why you shouldn't use Ubuntu. And then proceeds to make video explaining how it's not actually that bad and he uses it with a different DE.

    But now 300K people saw that Ubuntu bad for stupid reasons, from a "reputable" source.

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    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 13 points 4 months ago

    Good for you

    [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm a very happy Manjaro user and have been for more than 5 years.

    Let's just say it doesn't seem to be a popular opinion around here!

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    [–] starbrite@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I'd love ubuntu, my only real problem with it is it's owned by a company and not community backed

    [–] avieshek@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Try Pop!_OS if you love Ubuntu

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    [–] pewpew@feddit.it 11 points 4 months ago

    Kubuntu is boring because it just works

    [–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Other than snaps, gnome, and the fucking painful default taskbar it's pretty good yeah. It just worksℒ️.

    [–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

    I hate GNOME lol, I wouldn't be using Linux today if I had stuck with Ubuntu. If you like it, that's cool. I respect it, I just can't stand using it myself.

    [–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

    ... And Canonical...

    [–] quantenzitrone@lemmings.world 6 points 4 months ago

    tbh ubuntu just werks

    pretty decent corporate backed distro

    [–] TheGingerNut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    If you're going to shill a corpo distro, at least shill a decent one like fedora.

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