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The Biden administration has moved to forgive $4.7 billion in U.S. loans to Ukraine as part of a $9.4 billion loan package authorized by Congress in April to support Ukraine’s government during its war with Russia.

State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller confirmed the decision, which Congress could still block.

The Senate is set to vote on a disapproval motion introduced by Senator Rand Paul, though bipartisan support for Ukraine remains strong.

President Biden is expediting aid ahead of his term’s end, amid concerns President-elect Trump may restrict future support.

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 88 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The Senate is due to vote later on Wednesday on a motion of disapproval of loan forgiveness for Ukraine put forward by Republican Senator Rand Paul, a frequent critic of U.S. support for Ukraine.

Rand Paul? Is this the fellow who advocated for taking horse medication against COVID?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago

Also a noted Russian bootlicker, just like the incoming administration.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Is this the fellow who advocated for taking horse medication against COVID?

In other words: an average Republican

He also made the bizarre argument that Eric Garner was killed by overzealous regulation of cigarette sales rather than, you know, a violent cop.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Dude what about the student loan forgiveness you got filibustered on?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

... really? They're still being fought in the courts. Like, what the fuck commentary is this? "What about the thing you've been trying to do this whole time?" Yeah, they're still doing that.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see that they are fighting for PSLF forgiveness in courts.

Not the broad 20k forgiveness for all borrowers.

Do you have information otherwise? I'm interested in any discourse I may have missed on the matter.

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Supreme court shot down the 20k for pell grant recipients and 10k for non pell grant recipients plan, and basically said that at that scale should require congress. So all the smaller programs have been calibrated to try to survive the court battles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden_v._Nebraska

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why didn't Biden simply stack the Supreme Court with more justices? The conservative court presided by John Roberts has also shown zero compunctions for undermining the cornerstones of American legality. So why is the Biden admin playing along? Why are they constantly feigning weakness at every opportunity to be strong? Are they weak or simply apathetic?

Biden has been granted Kingly powers and impunity. He has done nothing with them. Etiquette and decorum are window dressing of the past. He is failing America at this most critical juncture, and it's 100% incumbent on citizens to call him out for this level of capitulation.

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I don't know that biden truly had the ability to stack the court, any justice he wanted to add would have to get through the senate. Which was only very narrowly held by the dems, and a pretty minimal amount of defections would have scuttled the plan entirely while also having broken the taboo. I don't actually trust biden either, so the world in which biden destroys the democratic norms and seizes power in that way also is a really bad situation.

[–] Batman@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol when this started I was a fine candidate for forgiveness. Now my income has increased and they lowered the bar so I'm disqualified. Really glad I'm on this side but it will be 5 years before I can pay off what would have been forgiven. The ceiling is a joke anywhere that isn't a rural environment.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

Means testing is just a poverty trap. My family personally earned a bit more money and the state of California now said "Cool, you no longer qualify for free health insurance, you gotta pay."

And while it's not a lot, its a few dollars a month, it has less options. Not even medical transportation in the rural area we live in.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Help them win before we change teams!

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But American students? Fuck em. Raise their interest to finance this.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden has also repeatedly forgiven student loans.

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

the Biden hate is getting tired. sure, he's not the greatest president of all time, but he did a damn good job considering the mess he had to clean up. i can't imagine how it feels handing the keys back to this traitor

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Infuriating.

US borrowers can't get their loans forgiven, but Biden's going to be Ukraine's personal Santa Claus for the next month and half, even though we've already allocated hundreds of billions to their war.

[–] ThotIWasSomebody@lemmy.world 96 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes, it's Biden that prevented student loan forgiveness.....are you fucking stupid?

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Dude this just isnt the way. Whether you like it or not a lot of people feel this way, and it permeates a lot of things. "Im suffering so why am i last?". I agree that these are two different issues but lets stop calling people stupid for not understanding.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I kind of agree with calling people stupid. So much of the reasons people give for disliking what Biden has accomplished are straight up lack of awareness or misinformation. If someone makes a choice without awareness, possibly intentionally unaware, or is unable to break out of a misinformation rut, what do you call it?

I really don’t think most Republicans are as malicious, spiteful, racist, or corrupt as the high profile Republican leaders, nor that they intentionally vote for that: they’re just being stupid

The last few years of fact checking, reality checking, reasoned debate has gone nowhere. What do you call it when someone refuses to look outside their preexisting beliefs, regardless of how much proof? Maybe calling them in it will get their attention. Maybe stooping to their level is the only thing that will

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden's forgiven the loans that he has the power to forgive. Judges and the House have blocked most of his loan forgiveness moves.

If we can allocate billions of dollars to Israel, we can certainly forgive some of Ukraine's loans.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

~~If we can~~ The state shouldn't allocate billions of dollars to Israel, ~~we can~~ but they should certainly forgive some of Ukraine’s loans.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

True and true.

[–] EisFrei@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Apropos Santa Claus.

Every time the democrats are in power, the Americans need to suffer. Why? Because the republicans decided so about 40 years ago. It's called the two Santas strategy.

http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You must get angry a lot, not understanding how so much of the world works.

[–] ThotIWasSomebody@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nope, just old enough to have zero patience for self inflicted stupidity

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Im with you

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I feel like we've seen plenty of historical examples of how this all works by now, from Rumsfeld shaking Hussein's hand in 1983 when the US was going into debt to fund their war, and then throughout the 90's when we went further into debt to fund Clinton's "peacekeeping" actions (which actually were wars) and Bush I's wars, and then we got lied into war again by Bush II and spent trillions on that, tacking on further wars in Syria and elsewhere, but you all are content to ignore history because your preferred news network tells you to. Going off of history, it's only a matter of time before we find out we were lied to about Ukraine or the hundreds of billions we were kind enough to take out on credit in order to gift them was largely misused.

And as much as you care about democracy, you don't have any empathy whatsoever for the people that US Banks and the Pharma industry are at war with, our own citizens.

[–] ThotIWasSomebody@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And yet we keep electing the people that let it happen. You can't blame capitalism alone. The citizenship is letting it happen. This most recent election is proof.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

You should just stick to derby skating.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 13 points 4 months ago

Any chance of mortgage loan forgiveness? Just sayin'.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

WTF why not forgive student loans you dessicated husk

[–] Vanshaj@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Am I going to be down voted if I say this is stupid.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone know why Biden has the authority to do this? It seems more up to Congress to decide if a debt is forgiven overnight. "Pen and the Purse" is what my social studies said every class.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Read the article if you want your question answered.

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