IT workers aren't "Tech Bros". Real Tech Bros are usually people with zero knowledge trying to profit from IT workers. They use them to build their scams.
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Just to add to your point, statistically tech workers are disproportionately democrat voters. I'm not sure about higher ups, but it would surprise me if they were disproportionately pro-trump
Not on H1B they not.
(as they can't even vote)
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I wonder when the magards will realize they've been played for the fools they are. It would be funny - and a little bit reassuring - if they massively turned against their racehorse before Jan 20...
The fact that the pendulum could swing so far so fast is an indication of how fucking long and exhausting the next 4 years will be. I'm too old for this shit.
Actually it's an indication of how desperate Americans are, or how stupid they are. Because nobody with good prospects in life and a working brain votes for Trump.
Probably a combination of both...
It's an indication of both stupidity and also desperation. Remember, this isn't happening just in the US, either. It's occurring worldwide, unfortunately.
Don't forget the latter causes the former. Literally: https://www.princeton.edu/news/2013/08/29/poor-concentration-poverty-reduces-brainpower-needed-navigating-other-areas-life
I had experience where I nearly fell for a common scam when I was in a desperate situation. At the time, I had no knowledge of that particular scam and was too rushed to find a solution to think critically. Luckily I was too dumb to even be properly scammed before someone who knew was able to stop me, but still.
I can believe the same happened on a mass scale. Desperate people being fed lies on an easy answer echoing each other, not realizing they’re being scammed.
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The post-mortem is still being done but there are real issues that voters had that are important that the DNC address.
The numbers seem to indicate voters simply did not turn out, not that voters changed their vote to Trump.
They are also to blame, yes, but the real issue is that the DNC fails to learn the right lesson from election losses. And this one was a doozy. We'll be lucky if we get another election.
If we do, I can guarantee you we'll have another right of center candidate that smiles and nods at workers rights while getting absolutely smashed by corporate interests.
And we'll be here again, begging people to vote for the better of two candidates because this election is more important than the last. All the while Republicans continue to shit out turd candidates.
It's worth remembering that Trump's popularity with voters allowed him to drag the Trump-hating establishment Republican party kicking and screaming into his orbit, and to eventually bend it to his will. It is possible for the same thing to happen with the Democrats, but no similarly compelling candidate has emerged. It'd have to be someone the rank and file voters can unify behind, in a way that can't be ignored by the donor class that runs the party.
H1-B visa holders are essentially indentured servants. If they lose their job, they get deported and then it's back to living 12 to a room in Bangalore.
I'm honestly surprised that Elon isn't just pushing that angle as a positive.
For real, he could live cam their miserable existence and say, "See how these minorities suffer for American profits!"
Then the fireworks go off and an eagle screams. The audience cheers!
Tying a visa to an employer is not indentured servitude.
You call it whatever you want to call it. "You work at this specific company or we kick you out of the country" is as exploitive and ultra-capitalistic as you can get.
It can be, but isn't a guarantee. All countries do this to an extent, some do it better than others. You calling it the wrong thing trying to drive a point home with hyperbole isn't helpful to anyone.
"All countries" do not have the U.S. H1-B visa program, which is what we are discussing.
All countries have some sort of work for visa program, which by itself is not indentured servitude. And given there are non ultra-capitalistic countries that also have it, the practice is also not "as far as one can get".
Hell, to group the US 's visa program in with the ones that literally end with slavery (and are actually like what you described) is just poor form.
Again, we are specifically talking about one country's visa program and you are downplaying the draconian nature of it with a lot of dodging and whataboutism.
I'm not doing either of those things. You made a claim by misunderstanding terms for hyperbole. I said that your claim isn't true. You backed up your claim with more hyperbole. I rebutted that with how it's standard practice globally and even in within a larger scope is a more reasonable standard.
QED, the US visa program is not indentured servitude, by colloquial or exact definitions, and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch. These are not whataboutism or dodging. They directly address your statements.
and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch
Sorry, no. "Work at this specific company or you're deported" is very much an ultra-capitalist position. I have no idea why you think otherwise.
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In reality we have examples of abuse in the US. When Twitter did all of that strange s*** when Musk took over, it was widely reported that foreign hires couldn't quit because they didn't have other jobs lined up. That's one example but we can find countless other examples of similar situations. So the reality is that the program is abusive in the US. And in I think all other countries that have similar programs, because of course it is. It's very difficult to find a new job in 2 months, and there's no guarantee that the new job would be better than the old job, which means your bosses have the ability to f*** with you, and they know it, and you know it, and many of them have and will.
What could be done instead is to change the program. Even if you require people to come over with a sponsored application, don't make them find a new job within 2 months. Simply allow them to reside in the country until the visa expires, regardless of employment status. Or, to make it even better, issue the visa based on qualifications and don't even require a sponsor in order to get a visa. In the latter case, all of the visa holders would no longer be getting s*** pay. They would be on the same pay scale as American citizen employees. Or give them citizenship after two years. It's laughably easy to brainstorm fixes to the broken system, but you won't even recognize that the system is broken.
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No, but it does allow abuse. I've worked at places where the h1-b wages were lower than market rate cause they can't really leave (they can, but finding another sponsor isn't easy or without risks).
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What you're saying is possibly true in theory, but in fact all we have to do is look around everywhere in the world that has this type of visa to find abuses. The abuses are guaranteed, and the rate of abuse varies based on how active the government is at punishing bad employers.
Not just H1-B, nearly all issued work visas are like that.
“Tech slaves apply here”
I shouldn't be a hole in the concrete hacked away with a pickaxe ... it's a neatly installed steel door with electronic access
And they put an explosive collar on you when you go through with your H1-B visa.
This cartoon is incomplete. There should be an indication that Elon FIRED the qualified Americans first. The GOP is such a joke. Every dumbass who voted for Trump deserves to lose their job and get replaced by cheap, foreign labor.
MAGA crowd are mostly below H1B standards.
Nah Trump is down there with a second hole saying "gardeners and maids apply here", while the wall is "guarded" by a redneck with a MAGA hat.
Trumpty Dumpty.
In reality, trump can't do 13 different things associated with this image.
If it wasn’t likely to bite me so hard in the ass (middle-aged, senior high paid US tech worker), I would be loving the schadenfreude. Instead, some days I can feel the target forming on my back.
I decided to career change and get a bachelor's in CS in my mid thirties.. finishing in may. Unsure if I'll even get the privelege of a target
the other side is that H1-B visa holders are more vulnerable to the whims of bosses. they will come here and be treated worse because of the threat of losing their work visa and being sent home unless they find another business owner willing to sponsor the legal responsibilities of dealing with H1-B visas.
Paid less, can't shop around for jobs as easily, they love immigrants when they take good paying jobs and turn them into poor paying jobs. Trump wants immigrants. He wants immigrants to take your good paying jobs. He wants you to do the crappy poor person jobs. This is not rocket surgery.