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10 arrested for writing gay erotica in China as part of nationwide crackdown
(www.lgbtqnation.com)
Presumably part of China's new "Less Wankies, More Tankies" policy.
this post was submitted on 05 Jan 2025
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If gay erotica is a threat to your way of thinking, then your way of thinking is pathetically fragile.
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Tankies boutta call every single person whos gay on this earth a capitalist pig...
Tankies don't ever show up in these threads because they know this is indefensible.
Nah, they're just over at the crosspost thread: https://lemmy.ml/post/24456592
Their main point is that, as the article states, erotica is outlawed whether it's gay or not. They weren't 'arrested for writing gay erotica', they were arrested for writing erotica. Obviously that's also a controversial position, but it's a very different one to the false homophobic position implied by the headline.
That thread is fucking depressing. Glad I blocked that instance. Also the tankies are, as usually, trying to defend the CCP because they have 95% approval rates in their rigged elections, so the people, according to them, support the government, and at the same time stating that the Chinese youth is more progressive and opposes the government actions.
This are some very interesting mental gymnastics.
to be clear the 95% approval rate has nothing to do with their elections and comes from a harvard study. If anything a study from harvard is likely to be biased against the approval rate being high, no?
Furthermore I have seen no evidence that their elections are rigged, you might have it, that would be very useful for me, could you provide it?
I will look into the approval rates and the mentioned study(I think I found which one you meant) later this day. However in terms of elections its quite easy.
China has a one party political system. This means, that there is no opposition. All members that may get elected to any position are picked by the CCP. All elections must adhere to the ruling of the CCP. The ruling of the CCP is part of the Chinese constitution.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China
This doesn't sound the slightest like a free democratic election. Also you have to take into Account, that The CCP controls everything, including propaganda. I havent found that much about manipulated elections in china(search engines suck nowadays), but will look into it later too.
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I'm learning more by the day that .world's issue with tankies is driven less by any of their actually problematic behavior than by this growing pseudo-mythos where users seem to treat them as a sort of online bogeyman. More often that not, I've seen "the tankies sure are going to hate this!" where no actual tankies ever appear. It's just lazy engagement, plus "tankies" becoming Lemmy-speak for "leftist who I disagree with (or challenges my preconceptions in a way that makes me uncomfortable)".
Checking out the comment thread, as of the time of this writing, I see one "but US bad too!" moron, a few .ml users with fairly reasoned responses (regardless of if I agree or not), and a few geniuses, including the OP there, looking to start shit and acting surprised when they're called out on it.
Seriously every thread it's the top comment, but there's never any actual tankies in the thread. I feel like I'm in the McCarthy 1950's whenever I'm looking through .world threads lol.
.world threads are far enough left that many of us would have been imprisoned under mccarthyism. Tankies do exist, which I know from interacting with them, and simping for authoritarian regimes is not leftism. Tankies don't challenge my preconceived notions any more than nazis... they just don't.
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Nah dude, didn’t you hear? Tankies off lemmy spoiled a whole US election
most tanky positions are indefensible. and yet, they try to defend them anyways.
The extra sad thing is that China isn't even "tankie-socialist" anymore, much like how the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore.
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Does China want weird sex fetishes, because this is how you start forcing people underground into weird sex fetishes they wouldn't have otherwise been exposed to. Winnie Xi Pooh bear is absolutely out of his hot dog eating mind. Interesting to see the blowback in 3-5 yrs...
But we're totally fine with this. After all, some guy tied a Japanese model at some point and now all BDSM people really like that. So I'll keep an eye for the next big thing. Both eyes probably... In the morning, 6am, before a good shower.
What is with authoritarians being so afraid of gay people?
Accepting gay people requires an open mind. An open mind can undermine an authoritarian society
It's more than that. Denigration of homosexuality and transgender identity is inextricably linked with patriarchy. The means by which queer people are oppressed is tied very strongly to notions of gender hierarchy. They push biological gender essentialism and homosexuality as unnatural and dangerous specifically because it places heterosexual cisgender men in the highest social position possible. It allows them to benefit from the exploitation of women and queer people as much as possible. Queer people are less directly useful to them, and so they are generally very overtly violent and genocidal towards us. Trans people in particular are targeted as if one can change their gender, if gender is not innate, then it undermines the superiority of cisgender men over cisgender women. Men cannot biologically innately be superior if women could become men, in essence.
Also they arent producing fresh meat for the grinder.
Accepting gay people requires an open mind.
Unfortunately, this isn't true. It might be true for some number of the first people, but after that it's just another thing people learn to accept because they were told to. That's why even after homosexually become relatively accepted, you still had so much bigotry against bi people, and it's why nowadays you still have so anti-trans people - a lot of whom would call themselves "open minded" just because they are accepting of gay people.
It really doesn’t have much to do with gay at all, but rather different than the norm which makes it an easy target to blame and punch down on. Hitler went after trans and gays first too, same with the fascists in power in the US today.
Quite literally a tale as old as time.
No, Hitler went after communists, socialists and trade unionists first. The whole reason the nazis were given power was to destroy the Left wing which had almost overthrown the bourgeois industrialists in the years after WW1. Ernst Rohm, a gay Nazi leader, was in charge of the night of the long knives when the Nazis cleared the ghettos of communists, socialists and Jews.
Homosexuals entered the crosshairs a year later when Hitler decided his good friend Ernst was a bit too close to power, which is why homosexuality became a crime to be purged over.
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The headline and the article itself are written in a bit of a weird way. From what i have read on that article and some others, 50+ were arrested, 10 of them at least had published gay erotica, but does not seem that they are targeting only people that write gay erotica. Not trying to excuse them or anything, its all pretty bad, but the headline seemed intentionally misleading once you start reading the article.
I'm not sure what LGBTQ Nation is on about separating 10 people from 50, but the SCMP is pretty clear that dozens were arrested for publishing danmei. They do also mention that publishing erotic materials in general is prohibited, though.
I don't think it's being intentionally disingenuous. Changing the word "arrested" to "convicted" makes the headline entirely accurate to the article.
So... would this book be prohibited?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1005150.Chinese_Erotic_Poems
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China just wants to keep its organ harvesting industry going. Each of those accused will walk out of prison in 5 years with one kidney.
Lol the downvotes. 'No, don't undercut my propaganda. they must be doing it because homophobia!'
I don't understand how authocracies are so popular everywhere. What is wrong with the freaking world?
People are increasingly relatively poor within their own societies particularly compared to the wealthy and ultra wealthy increasingly visible on the internet.
Charismatic autocrats have done a good job falsly directing blame for this to socialists. It's maddening to behold people basically cheering for their own chains.
When liberalism fails, people look for alternatives. Historically speaking, the lower classes move towards socialism, and the owning classes adopt fascism to protect their privileged position from socialists. Apart from some important exceptions, libertarian forms of socialism generally haven't been able to prevail, while one-party states have built third-world countries into superpowers more than once, which makes for an appealing role-model, especially in countries where the system beforehand was a monarchist dictatorship or US puppet pretending to be a democracy.
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People are indoctrinated into being vulnerable to authoritarianism very early, it's a big part of the major religions. Now the vulnerability is being targeted with more and more serious exploits.
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Does anyone have a primary source? I'm compiling an anti tankie document and want to steel man it but can't find it in the article.
How do you do my fellow communists?
I'm an anarchocommunist, not a tankie.
I have never posted a pro-tankie opinion across all my accounts. Feel free to look!
Feel free to look for pro-tankie comments? Why would I look for that, I really want to see your anticommunist comments, where are they? Other than what you wrote above, throwing your lot in with neo-McCarthyism.
I'm not a Stalinist or subscribe to any "tankie" views either, though what those views are is determined by the aims imperialism so that could change. But I sure as hell don't waste my time with "anti-tankie" documents, there are actual problems beyond some 14 year old Hexbear calling you a liberal
Feel free to look for pro-tankie comments? Why would I look for that, I really want to see your anticommunist comments, where are they? Other than what you wrote above, throwing your lot in with neo-McCarthyism.
If you're going to bother accusing me of something, feel free to find it.
"Let me be clear, I am not a tankie, north korea is an evil, authoritarian state that needs to go down"
^^is literally on the first page of my comments. But you didn't bother reading them, did you? Awfully weird thing to do.
But I sure as hell don’t waste my time with “anti-tankie” documents
ok buddy i don't care what you do in your free time, tankies are extremely bad for a movement i care about and it's a passion project for me. China is not composed of 14 year olds on hexbear calling me a liberal.
I am a communist, so, there aren't any real anticommunist sentiments beyond anti-tankie ones.
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