He also congratulated Trump on his inauguration, urging him to promote a just society free of hatred and exclusion.
Wishful thinking.
I’ll also bet Catholics were more likely to support Trump in the first place.
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Catholics are historically a strong Democratic voter base. The last two decades have seen that shift to a near 50/50 split as blue collar white voters (of which Catholics make up a sizable portion) have shifted rightward dramatically.
And I assume it’s the abortion issue influencing this. Otherwise Catholics would be solidly democrat. It’s the Protestant Christians that tend to be solid republican.
Yeah, it’s a large part. Although, anecdotally most of the Catholics I know tend to be pro-choice (this is probably just selection bias, though).
Interestingly, the Church’s anti-abortion stance is doctrinal, but has not been proclaimed by the papacy in an ex cathedra statement or as an essential matter of the faith. A lot of Catholics treat it as one of their faith’s “matters of conscience” and form their own personal opinions on the matter.
Roman Catholicism finds itself in a very awkward place with regard to abortion. The Church itself was the creator of the concept of Social Justice and many of its faithful (rightfully, imo) seek to apply a similar philosophy to the topic of abortion.
Just to add to that, abortion is legal in the "4 Christian kingdoms" (France, Italy, Spain and Portugal)
Naturally they would shift because they believe the right wing propaganda. Our oligarchs spent a lot of money capturing the MSM, and Putin's use of psyops on social media helped a lot.
Guys. The head of a pedophile cult has the moral high ground on trump. Seriously, not kidding here.
This is like when Al Qaeda was telling ISIS to cool it down.
One pedo hitting another pedo's bottom line. At least the pope guy does help people from time to time.
Pretty sure the prosperity gospel and rapture fetish guys don't listen to the pope, and those are the guys pulling Trump's strings.
The Pope has put on some weight.
Dem loaves and fishes
Sincerely speaking, I have the feeling it is not even the Pope in the picture but a good look alike.
Or a bad lookalike.
As in evil?
All the prayer, I’m sure. It’s sinning that keeps you lean.
So that’s why I’m so slim 🤔
How about you tell him it goes against the teachings of Christ? That's supposed to mean something to his followers.
The pope is too “woke” for many Catholics, whose religion dictates that the pope is always right whether they like it or not because god. Awkward place to be in, but it doesn’t seem to stop them
religion dictates that the pope is always right whether they like it or not because god
While Catholics do have a lot of wacky beliefs, papal infallibility is somewhat more limited than this. It only applies when the pope makes an ex cathedra statement, so he would have to state this in a much more specific and formal manner to be considered undisputable doctrine.
I wish that would affect them. Even just to pause and reflect. They won't. It hasn't been about the teachings of Christ for a long time.
As if they care.
I haven’t seen a picture of him for a while I guess. Dude is cultivating mass.
Please god let Trump say something insanely insulting about the pope. More then that "very sad, very stupid and weak man" nonsense.
if the cultolick church says you're a disgrace, then it's really bad
M'kay, Mr. Pope. Nothing ironic or hypocritical about this statement at all...
Oh no someone called it a disgrace I guess that's it guys deportations are off you can go home now
Good for Pope Francis.
Hahahahahahahahaha, a Trump campaign free of hate. That's about as likely as a Catholic Church free of kid fuckers.
https://zenit.org/2024/08/29/vatican-citys-immigration-law-one-of-the-strictest-in-europe/
Vatican City’s immigration law, one of the strictest in Europe
In May 2023, Pope Francis approved a new Fundamental Law for the Vatican City State, reinforcing strict criteria for citizenship and residency. This law stipulates that Vatican citizens include the Pope, cardinals residing in the state, and individuals whose roles are essential to the Vatican’s functions. Residency, similarly, is granted under tight conditions and can be revoked at any time, underscoring the transient nature of living within the Vatican. Marriage and family ties offer no guarantees for continued residency, with the law stating that permissions for spouses and children cease under specific circumstances, such as annulment or separation. Furthermore, children of Vatican citizens lose their citizenship upon reaching adulthood, unless specific conditions are met.
So now we have Trump aiming to score political points by trying to project an image of restrictive immigration policy while continuing to run permissive policy and the Pope aiming to score political points by trying to project an image of supporting permissive immigration policy while running restrictive immigration policy.
EDIT: I see that someone else pointed out the same thing.
Vatican City is literally an office complex with a garden and a plaza with a whopping 764 residents in attached worker housing. They could enforce the same thing even if they were not sovereign.
Now now, I am sure he can find it in him and entourage to provide them some tender, loving pastoral care.
Excommunicate the bastard
Excommunicate the bastard
He isn’t a member of the Roman Catholic Church. They excommunicate their own, not Protestants. Or, indeed, people who pretend to be Protestant.
Those people are inherently excommunicated, which is to say not allowed to participate in the sacraments of the Roman Catholic church, since they aren’t members.
I am not a Catholic, but IIRC from Catholic School (it was just the best school in the area,) they aren't excommunicated. The only reason for that is that, in theory, since they were never Catholic to begin with, they could get baptized and become Catholic. As I understand it, once you are excommunicated, you may never rejoin the Catholic Church.
I know I'm being pedantic.
You might be right. Although as I understand it, a person who is excommunicated can be re-communicated (or whatever it’s called) by repenting and turning away from whatever caused their excommunication.
Oh, well if the pope is getting involved, we should be fine.
https://zenit.org/2024/08/29/vatican-citys-immigration-law-one-of-the-strictest-in-europe/
Rocks and glass houses. The Pope's words on the matter is pointless based on the policies of the sovereign land he controls.
If you manage to be born in the Vatican City, you don't get citizenship(citizenship of Vatican City is granted on jus officii, so you need to be appointed at the Vatican to have citizenship). And will be deported. This leaves you stateless which is a massive problem, such a massive problem, that the Italian government negotiated the problem away in the Lateran Treaty.
I don't get it, unrestricted Jus soli is only really common in the new world. The Vatican doesn't seem out of the ordinary regarding this.
Right... That's the point. They (the Holy See, and thus Vatican City)... Being squarely set in restrictions... is complaining when a country with MUCH LESS restrictions on citizenship acts...
If the Vatican Cities rules were applied to the USA today. It would be a literal shit show, and significantly worse.
That's my point. He has no room to talk. He's blowing hot air up everyone's asses to make himself look better when he is significantly worse. The "old world" is de facto more restrictive, and Vatican City is significantly worse than that.
If you were born on the Google campus, would you expect them to give you citizenship? A job?
...Vatican City is not a state like any other, it's a pet protectorate of Italy. Don't compare a tiny speck of land with one of the biggest countries in the world, a country whose economy is reliant on the immigrants it wants to expel now. All that does is create a situation where employers can extort workers by saying "what's the phone number of ICE, again"?
It's also a country which can only be accesses by passing through Italy first.
It's such a bad argument to compare immigration policies like this (I.e., I agree with you).
However, we could look at the amount of homeless people left around st. Peter's. Those could be helped even without immigration, and it's not done.
How? By housing them in the vatican museum? The vatican is smaller than an averege American Walmart. It's already crowded, housing the most important nursery home in the catholic world, while also taking in millions of tourist every year. There is no space in the Vatican.
By providing resources to house them? I am from Rome, I know how big (small) the Vatican is. I also know that the church owns an impressive amount of estate in Rome and Italy in general. Whatever the solution could be, from boosting Caritas (the association who already has canteens for poor people), to funding low-cost housing, to whatever else can be imagined, it's a stark contrast walking such a luxurious place, the core of the Catholic church and seeing people sleeping in the open in winter on the ground.
Obviously I am not naive, I know that poverty for the church is something to mitigate perhaps, but never to solve.
The church providing public housing where things like men kissing men could happen... not going to happen. It's nothing or a monastery. Also doesn't Italy have a right to housing.
No, there is no right to housing. There are many groups fighting for it, but generally it's a niche movement.
Vatican City issues it's own passports. It is sovereign.
And none of what you said excuses them for having policies that are much more restrictive than the USA, just to turn around and "holier than thou" the USA on policies.
If the Vatican was the size of the US I very much doubt they would have the policies they do.
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