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[–] [email protected] 259 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

I feel like this is an incredibly obvious yes. They were down for 12 hours. They put Trump's name as their savior in the error message... Then the CEO shows up to his inauguration. Trump freely admits that it is because he believes TikTok helped him win the election:

“I have a warm spot in my heart for TikTok because I won youth by 34 points,” Trump said in December. “And there are those that say TikTok had something to do with that.”

So. Yeah. Of fucking course it was. Fuck national security and all that nonsense, ME ME ME!

[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was thinking the same, I'm 99% certain Trump required his name to be included in the welcome back message as a condition for not implementing the ban.

It's very poorly written theatre

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

The audience who enjoys this theater isn’t exactly sophisticated. Pro wrestling has more complex plot and believable characters.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Also they’re now censoring anything anti Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And didn't they explicitly state that they went down because "the US government is not working on a solution", 12h before this government changed?

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I will argue that so was the Israel cease-fire "strong-man" act. In fact my conspiracy theory is that Israel explicitly delayed the cease-fire so that Trump could look strong by finishing it, then whined a bit in the newspapers to sell it. This is not even the first time they GOP has done this, as per the Iran hostages affair.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Iran hostage crisis remake.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Which was itself a sequel to Nixon trying to stall peace negotiations during the Vietnam War.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

How can they get away with the exact same plan every time, this is some scoobydoo bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Yeah and it's not far-fetched considering how openly Netanyahu endorsed Trump. With Trump in office Netanyahu can do whatever he wants, waging a costly in terms of PR war will be no longer necessary.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Judy Woodruff was forced to publicly apologize because Trump and Bibi said they didn't talk about delaying it, but I still think she was right:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-accused-crime-benjamin-netanyahu-call-ceasefire-hamas-1942248

I mean, I'd trust unnamed sources over these two guys any day.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Headline from fox news: "Oliver North: Israel will have to put people on the ground and it will be bloody"

Reality is truly stranger than fiction. If any writer continued to use a character like him for so long in such obvious ways without suffering any consequences, readers' suspension of disbelief would be shattered.

He was there for Iran-Contra. He is still here for Israel-Hamas. The exact same playbook. Place political gain over national interest. Put lives needlessly in danger and extend suffering for an easy win.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago

The only thing that can make Trump look good is his obituary

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, yes.

He "brought it back" before he was even in office. And since no one looks up anything, I'm sure it did it's job.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The original idea came from him. To me it just makes trump a hypocrite

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

How so? It was politically convenient to go after TikTok when he did it, and it's politically convenient to reverse course now. That's a pretty consistent gameplan from Trump, attack something when it's popular, reverse when reversing is popular.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Holding a position when politically convenient and reversing your stance on that position due to political convenience is hypocrisy. It may be typical and expected, but it's still hypocrisy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (11 children)

But Trump has no values or beliefs, the only thing he's consistent about it putting his name in headlines. So reversing is absolutely consistent with his values.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess

Having no values or beliefs and being self-consistent with ulterior personal values does not change the definition of the word.

If one professes beliefs, feelings, or values that one does not possess, one is a hypocrite.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sort of, yes. It is a counterintelligence/disinformation app, and for that reason it makes MAGA look good. MAGA now controls all 3 of the top disinformation apps: Twitter, Facebook , and Tiktok. This is the war on truth; facts and honesty lost.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Not to mention they've bought out every previously legitimate news source.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Give'em the disease then sell'em the cure.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago

Trump started the whole thing because he was unpopular on Tiktok. Republicans jumped on board because young people were politically organizing on the platform and they don't like that.

But up to that point, there was no really effort, even as much as they tried to claim "national security".

Then when the real information about Palestine was being spread there the democrats jumped on board because they are the same as republicans when if comes to foreign policy.

That's what started the actual push that gained momentum. They had no actual evidence about the stuff they claimed. Also, if the claim applied to Tiktok, it applies to all the other social media. But they don't actually care about privacy. They only care about a platform that they couldn't control and wasn't catering to them.

If they cared about privacy, they would have pushed general privacy legislation and/or regulation and oversight on all social media.

The reversal was Biden realizing he does not have a good legacy and with Trump, there was a lot more content this time around that was pro-trump (and also tiktok gave him a million dollars). So now he gets to claim he "saved tiktolk" when he was the start of the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All CEOs understood how to behave with such an arrogant person: flatter him and he will bow to your every wims.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Obviously. They see the game. They played the game.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think there was any grand Machiavellian scheme. Trump just capitalized on historic democrat incompetence to make himself look good.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which part of Trump proposing, implementing and then yesterday delaying the ban was down to Democrat incompetence?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Please explain how Trump managed to implement this ban with a democrat controlled senate and Joe Biden as president.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Thanks, I'll field this extremely easy question - By executive order before it was a bipartisan bill supported by every level of government:

In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed a ban of the app as he viewed it as a national security threat. In August, he signed an executive order instructing that ByteDance divest from the app, though the order was blocked by a court injunction in September and was reversed by the Biden administration in 2021.

To me, making sure that everyone agrees with a new policy before it becomes law, and sending it through the proper channels to be debated and then enacted, doesn't really seem like a dumb thing.

The dumb thing would be to propose a new law, enact it unilaterally, have it revoked because it was enacted unilaterally, then have everyone agree on it anyway when you pass it through the proper channels, then toss it in the trash yourself at literally the first opportunity.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I think both of you are right: The idea of banning TikTok came during his presidency and he campaigned for it.
However it was a policy supported by Biden and with bipartisan vote, which means Dems were playing at home, so it was on them to not look stupid.

It is mentioned in some news that the Facebook people pushed a lot for TikTok's ban so they could capitalize on a user exodus, though that TikTok feasts on user data and shares it back in China is also true. However you don't solve that with a ban, you solve that with a proper privacy policy. But no US company wants that, no sir. So the Dems were played like the devil went down to Georgia and they were the proverbial fiddle.

But.. I guess saying this is preaching to the choir as most people in here are dutifully aware of privacy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why did the Democrats fall for it though?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Because they’re very dumb.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Given that he was the one that called for it to be banned extremely vocally, and he's not been able to keep it banned for more than a few hours even as the now leader of that country, seemingly caving under pressure to flip his stance on the matter (showing off the bat that he's very politically weak)....

I don't see how this makes him look anything but weak, or inept.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Ahh, but see you're been following this over several months/years, or looked up what actually happened. You're not the target for this dupe.

This tactic works incredibly well as you'll find you are outside the norm. I still remember people ranting about how Obama was late responding to Hurricane Katrina.

Welcome to Politics 2.0 where the information is freely available but the facts don't matter.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It will go on like that for several years now. One shit show, and then the next one, and then the next three ones...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, this is just what it looks like when evil encoaches. Having no true ethical or moral obligations it decides everything on a case by case basis and if it can't be controlled then it is destroyed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Tiktok is an app for stupid people so naturally stupid people would be more gullible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah, the super obvious political stunt was a political stunt. It only fools those that don't pay any attention or don't know how anything works. Biden said he would not enforce the order, that trump signed during his first term, to ban tiktok. Then tiktok chose to shut itself down for a day and chose to turn itself back on with its political pandering notice. It is all to manipulate it's users while also paying fealty to the incoming president (because China knows that is how easy he is to control).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Yes.

Do you know any dopamine addicts who lost their minds for a week straight? You know the ones. Giving more permissions to shady apps to scratch their itch?

Sad world we live in lolol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

TikTok had to make Trump look good as he presumably saves it so they did that stunt. In the end both sides know TT has to agree to selling majority stake because it isn’t anything China didn’t do to US firms multiple times already.

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