Most if not all non-paid options will have privacy concerns similar to gmail, so you’ll have to pay. I pay for Proton, and though I’m not thrilled about some of the political bullshit their CEO has been up to recently, I think I’ll stay with them for now since they’re still good for privacy, and their other services are solid. They’re also very upfront about what they charge and why, and I think they still plan to transition to a non-profit.
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It's not just the pro-trump stuff though, there's also the case of being very pro-cop in that they helped get info about a french activist against their will or settings, we believe.
God, I can't believe people are still spreading this nonsense. Proton complied with a legal warrant. Name another company on the planet that will receive a legal warrant and refuses to comply. I'll wait.
And the fact that their internal information even can reveal any information indicates a lack of true privacy. Here is an example of setting up a system so you cannot comply.
how the fuck do you run an email provider without storing anything on disk, first of all?
next point is mullvad is ready to close shop if that's what they need to do after a raid. but of you're storing people's data for their request basically, like Proton, you can't just do that because everyone will be mad for losing their data and access to the email service.
finally, Proton does provide a way to use their services in secret, as they run their onion site. login over Tor, done. but probably also create the account over Tor, and never log in through clearnet with that account
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sure, they must have shut down all services instead, that would have been the real solution!!
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That definitely sounds concerning, do you have a link or anything? Any company would have to comply with a legal court order regardless of their preference or ideology, so how they comply comes down to the amount of information they store and for how long. Just saying, the fact that they helped the cops (as much as I hate the cops in general) doesn’t necessarily mean they handed everything over or volunteered anything they weren’t legally obligated to provide. But I don’t know the specifics of the case you mentioned.
Several links, here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983
https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
Hope this helps!
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Yes, about this case of I remember well they provided the IP address of the activists.
Any email provider has to follow the law and will have to provide the information they have. The only diffidence of that in the case of proton the information they have is the IP address you used to connect to their service. For another provider the information might be all the content of your email.
The imprompted praise to Trump from proton CEO on the other hand is more concerning.
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Not that many people use email much anymore
Where do you live, because I want to go there immediately.
IDK, what else do they use? Email has to be the least bad option. At least with email you can choose your provider (or be your own).
Any of the dozens of federated chat services.
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Who's not using email? I'm green with envy, but I think it's a ludicrous premise to think not many people are using email.
I also wondered what kind of rock OP lives under. I use email every day, multiple times per day. I probably send more emails than texts.
i don't use email much at all, only signups at a few places.
at work, communications with my coworker or clients is by phone or in person, not email or very rarely sms. email is mainly the required communications with the state (business registrations, taxes and shit) and invoices and receipts for things we use or buy online. plus lots of spam. lots and lots of spam. oh, and scams. lots of scammers and phishers too.
I use Tuta mail. It is entirely open source. There are both paid and free tiers. I started on a paid tier, then downgraded to free. I like the option of a usable free tier when money is tight. I use addy.io for aliases.
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I use proton and for registering on different sites I usually use addy.io. Also, I recently found a new mail service that looks nice and might give it a try soon, disroot.org
ProtonPass will also generate aliases and forward the mail to your email account. But, as someone else mentioned, the CEO's politics seem sus.
proton.
Proton unlimited comes with unlimited everything on proton pass, including disposable email addresses
Proton have shown recently they are very much pro-cop and pro-trump and so aren't that private or worthwhile any more.
I've been a Proton customer for over 4 years and I'm leaving because of this. Don't use Proton.
They're against censorship and in favor of free speech. If you hear about a VPN provider that blocks their users' access to certain things based on the owner's political beliefs that's a shitty VPN provider
Full disclosure. I'm not a fan of Trump. I'm just a free speech absolutist and even if I hate what someone has to say I think they should be allowed to say it.
There's already laws against threats, slander and libel and even doxing in some places.
That is not the concern. The concern is that their free speech has indicated they support cops, which means they're more likely to be compliant. No one is talking about this speech here, but the content of it.
Also you aren't.
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Disroot - A lot of people in the know about privacy seem to really like it.
Really though email is a bullshit communication medium and unless you're insisting on using GPG for every message and make sure your or other people's keys never got compromised I wouldn't rely on it.
Really hoping Dark Mail actually becomes a thing at some point. If it was that with locally stored encrypted email then email might actually be worth bothering with.
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I'm currently moving (for the last year) from Gmail to mailbox.org.
They have a free level, but I wanted aliases, so I pay $30/year. Worth every penny.
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Tutanota or disroot.
if you wanna forget privacy and subscribe to a proprietary startup instead, use hey mail because it just sorts well. otherwise just use proton like everyone else said
Protonmail. I have over 25 different online accounts/identities (each one for a different topic gaming, movies, music, coding etc.), all Protonmail based.
Proton is run by a fascist. Its only a matter of time until they too will Start sucking Trumps balls
LOL. Proton is absolutely not run by a fascist. You should learn what fascism is and what they do. Proton CEO is way WAY more tame than actual fascists. It's actually not even close IMO.
he is at least a very dumb person if he believes Trump sides against bigtech
look up what fascist means dumbass, it's more than just someone you disagree with.
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I'm currently using Migadu. It's $20/year for their cheapest plan. They give you a lot of control over the email service, so it might not be the best if you're a noob. In fact, they require you bring a domain name. But, they let you create unlimited users, aliases, have fancy routing, etc.
https://purelymail.com/ looks interesting too. And is cheaper at $10/year.
If you do decide to get a custom domain, just some tips:
- get something that ends in
.netor even better.combecause shitty companies with shitty IT departments will block other TLDs (I've had this happen with FedEx and my local garbage company). There is no spam folder for them, the email just explodes. - probably don't pick a domain with one of your names it in for better anonymity, unless I guess you have a popular last name?
[email protected]looks cool, but consider if you want random sites like lemmy to have that data. - don't pick a homophone or weird word because at some point you'll have to speak your email to another human and it's really awkward to tell your bank that your email is
[email protected]or[email protected]or was it[email protected]?
Also, the web interfaces of some of these other email services might not be as good as Gmail's UI. It helps to use an email client instead. Thunderbird is fine or you could use something simpler like claws-mail or even something like mutt.
While I'm using Proton rn, I'm planning to migrate to Posteo with Addy.io for aliases. However they all cost money. If you mean free email that's not tie to a billionaire, I can't think one off my head. You can achieve "free" by hosting your own email server as it sounds you're intended for receiving only, but the electricity still cost some, plus you are doning free labor to make sure it is happy.
Riseup.net Private, free, encrypted
Invite-only and no clear way to get said invites
I use proton for a while now, its been great and well supported. The proton pass lets you use unique emails to register too. Its paid, for that anyway. I've been in love, I still don't keep my passwords on it opposed to a USB drive, but some i've started to just out of simplicity and lack of need of serious security for those.
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