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Just gonna add here that Reuter's downgrading of the word "terrorist" to "extremist" is a load of BS.
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Reuter's has zero credibility left after falsely reporting the Tel Aviv soccer fans attacking people in Amsterdam as a pogrom against Jews.
Absolute scum of the earth, if they said the sky was blue I wouldn't believe them.
This is kind of unrelated, but I lost trust in reuters when they did an “investigative piece” on a scientist claiming he was “harassed” by patients, which was basically a hit piece on an entire illness (everyone with it). The “harassment” in question was people asking for data to be released on a study that led to disability benefits being removed. Low and behold, once the data was released (after a multiyear court battle) it was found to be very manipulated and the study went down the trash. (Study was funded by the disability insurance obviously).
Reuters never reported on the fact a court found those allegations “harassment” were “without proof”, at best, “grossly exaggerated” and done “with malicious intentions”. Or the fact the reanlyses of the data used in that study came to the opposite conclusions.
investigative piece
if a wire service disseminates opinions they then get reported as facts.
They have a single job and stepping out of their lane makes them worse than useless.
Also, their webpages usually break Wayback machine archiving, so they can absolutely fuck off right down the memory hole imo
I expect the teacher will get their presidential pardon soon.
Civil war is inches away. It might be a decade or two, but it's also at any point almost from here on out. Prepare and organize.
And also keep in mind that preparing and organizing effectively is one of the best ways of making civil war less likely.
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I know your joking but there were no charges nor would they be pardonable by the president. The governor of that state could though.
She said "I don't negotiate with terrorists". People say that all the time as a joke. I'm not sure if the kid being Palestinian is the reason she said that.
Yes. They say that sort of thing as a joke to their friends, not to a child who they have a shitload of power over. Especially not a child who just wants to sit somewhere else.
What the fuck is wrong with you? I sure as fuck hope you aren't in any position where you have to interact with children on a regular basis.
Yeah, I can’t envision a context that would make this an appropriate thing to say.
It's obviously not appropriate to say to a student, but it also happens to be a colloquial expression used quite often as a generic joke response to exactly those types of requests.
That phrase alone means almost nothing since it's used much more widely than it appears on the surface. The context is inappropriate, but that doesn't mean the phrase was at all intended that way.
If the child were white would we be having this same conversation as it is? If the teacher was saying it to a friend outside work instead, would it be different?
If the child were white would we be having this same conversation as it is?
That's the point, though: even if it wasn't MOTIVATED by prejudice towards Palestinians (and let's be honest, it probably was), not being careful about perpetuating the stereotype is in itself careless victimization at best.
I'm worried you haven't brainstormed enough hypotheticals where this isn't offensive. What if the teacher had their Bluetooth in and they were talking to a real terrorist? Or what if the kid's name is Terrorists? You feel pretty foolish now, don't you?
Excellent points. I will now wear the hat of shame. 😄
If the child were white would we be having this same conversation as it is?
Would you say the same thing if this was a black kid and the teacher refused to let them move because they were being too uppity?
Divorcing atrocities from context is a great way to deny they happen.
Depends, are we using the same phrase that's been separated from its origin in colloquial use? Because that's the distinction I'm making. That the phrase usage itself being tied to the racial aspect here is flimsy specifically because the phrase is widely used outside of that racial context.
So if we remove the specific thing that links the phrase here to be so bad, the racial link, would the situation be viewed differently? I don't think it would be nearly the same. The usage in the context of teacher/student is obviously bad, it's not an appropriate location for the phrase in any context, but that has nothing to do with the race of the student. Without more context to show it should be related, like previous racist comments from the teacher, simply assuming it is related just taints objective analysis of the situation.
Calling a Palestinian child a terrorist isn't fucking colloquial. Why would you even suggest such a thing? What a bigoted fucking thing to say. There's nothing flimsy here at all.
Pretending like it isn't bigoted by divorcing it from context is fucking stupid. Without context, calling a child a monkey is fine. With context, calling a black child a monkey is bigoted as fuck. And I'm sure you're not stupid, so you know that and are just trying to excuse what this awful racist teacher did.
Or do you call black children monkeys because calling a white child a monkey isn't racist?
You are internally ignoring my point, notably that the racial aspect you want to focus on may not be related AT ALL to the usage of the phrase.
You are assuming that race is related, and it might be, but the phrase is used all the time without actual terrorism being involved, so blindly assuming it is means you instantly discount alternative scenarios without considering them. Just because there appears to be a link on the sirface, that doesn't mean there actually is.
No point in trying to discuss it further since you clearly aren't actually trying to have a real conversation about it.
I am not ignoring your point, I am just disagreeing with it. But your idea that people who disagree with you don't want to discuss things with you is noted.
It's not because of disagreement, but your apparent inability to even consider a reality where the racial aspect isn't involved here. And since that's the entire basis of what I'm discussing, would mean you aren't intending to have a real discussion.
Not surprising given your other posts elsewhere in the fediverse. You never seem to try to consider alternative perspectives when people post them, just insisting they're wrong for various reasons often including various logical fallacies. So I'm not exactly surprised you're doing the same here.
I can consider that reality. I just don't think that reality is even remotely likely in this case.
Your lying about me (couching it in "seem to") and your unprovoked incivility are also both noted.
I do not give bigotry the benefit of the doubt and try to be nice to the person being bigoted. Especially when it's a teacher being bigoted to a student, something that happens constantly. Something that I saw myself regularly in school.
Edit: Incidentally, this is a whole lot like people excusing Elon's Nazi salute as a Roman salute or him being "autistic" and getting too excited.
Ehh except it is something people say and when pointed at children is a cheeky acknowledgement of how children are completely unreasonable sometimes.
It's very common to refer to children (most often toddlers) as terrorists. Ive seen it countless times in mom groups and it never has any hate behind it.
Elon is a Nazi because he does Nazi salutes and courts favor with Nazis, and reposts nazi propaganda, calling it true. It's not comparable.
When conservatives say we have "woke mind virus" this thread is exactly what they are talking about. It's embarrassing watching something so trivial get blown into some hateful act.
Please show me an example of a teacher calling a child a terrorist. If it is very common, like you say, you can show evidence of it.
I have never called my child a terrorist, nor would I, because that's fucking sick. None of the parents I know ever have either. Terrorists murder people.
You've got Google so you can look it up yourself. But heres a few of many different references to the joke:
Chris Distefano, a pretty well known comedian does a bit on it.
Here's a t-shirt from a baby clothes website: https://heybaby.threadless.com/designs/tiny-terrorist-stretch/kids/baby-t-shirt
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1aeyxhj/toddler_terrorist_organization/?rdt=37501 A mother calling her toddler a terrorist in a funny video
There obvioualy won't be a video of a teacher saying it because you don't film other people's children and post it online.
How do you and others not get this? There won't be a video of a teacher saying it, because it is not an appropriate thing for a teacher to say to a child.
It doesn't matter if you or others think it's extremely common. It doesn't matter if you say it every day. It doesn't even matter if you say it to your own child.
And I have no idea why you and others think that it's okay.
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You truly believe that calling a child a terrorist is trivial?
Whoo boy, are you in for an awakening.
I think calling a black child a monkey without that being part of an established pattern or without reason would be racist, sure.
But if a whole kindergarten class was acting crazy, and a teacher said they were acting like moneys, and that class happened to have a black child in it, I wouldn't think they were racist for calling that black child a monkey.
And if a news story ran that had the headline, "racist teacher calls black child a monkey," and those were the facts presented, I'd call it rage bait.
So the question of whether this child was singled out and called a terrorist with racial intent, or we just have a teacher using a normal phrase with no racial intent seems a relevant point.
Where do you people come from where "I don't negotiate with terrorists" is a normal phrase that teachers say to children?
I don't even know any adults who have said something like that to each other in years.
The kid wouldn't even have gotten the reference because they were born many years after Bush was in office.
Where do you people come from where "I don't negotiate with terrorists" is a normal phrase that teachers say to children?
I hear it often enough, I'm from MA. I don't know what to tell you, but it's a common expression.
Here's the scenario, often as an adult you have to tell children what to do, (eat your dinner, get dressed, we have to leave now, etc). Sometimes they start making ultimatums or threats over issues that really aren't up for debate, "No! I won't do X unless Y!" - that kind of thing. It's at that point one might use that expression, it's really not uncommon.
Hey, maybe the phrase isn't in your normal vocabulary, but you're going to have to accept that it is in a lot of other people's normal vocabulary. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact, and it's generally best to just accept facts, cause you don't really have other options.
So given that this is a normal thing to say, it was still a pretty massive fuck up. Being put on leave is probably an appropriate response. Was it racist? I'm like 85% sure no.
I mean, I come from a place that that's a normal thing people say. And I'd think I'm as likely to say it to a child as "I'll be back," or "clever girl," or "what we have here is a failure to communicate," or any number of other referential phrases that a child is unlikely to understand the reference to.
But maybe you're right it's an age/generational thing. It's definitely a phrase still in the zeitgeist of people my age, but maybe less so in a younger demographic? Maybe that's why there's a skew in the comments, where some of us see it as a phrase as common and normal as "we're gonna need a bigger boat," and some think it's super out of left field and weird.
But the child not getting the reference is immaterial. Part of learning language is learning what phrases are in the zeitgeist. It's not weird for me to use any of the above phrases with a child, even if they haven't seen any of the things they're from.
I don't know what age you are, but I am 47 and I have not heard that phrase in years.
And you're right, it's immaterial whether or not the child gets it. The material part is a teacher insulting a child. Racist, not racist, it is absolutely inappropriate either way.
Have you ever heard that phrase used as an insult? I've only ever heard it used as a joking way to say "no." Especially in cases where the person is being bullheaded about something.
I've literally never heard that phrase used in a pejorative way.
Yes. Yes I have. Because I know plenty of Muslims.
Maybe this is purely cultural/regional then. I grew up in an area without a large Muslim population. Perhaps the phrase was used pejoratively elsewhere.
Well this teacher is somewhere with Muslims, so maybe they should figure out how to be a little fucking culturally sensitive with the people in her class.
We don't even know how old this kid was. It could have been a seven-year-old. What seven-year-old would even understand that was not insulting if you called them a terrorist? They don't have that sort of ability to reason yet.
I kinda doubt many seven year olds are asking for a seat change?
But, so long as we're making up scenarios that support our side of the argument, what if it was an otherwise white presenting student, who's ethnic background the teacher didn't know, who told the teacher, "change my seat or I'll beat your ass"?
Without full context, it's hard to say how deplorable the usage of the phrase truly was. It could have been horrible and racist, sure. I'm not arguing that it couldn't, or even that it wasn't. I'm just arguing that it also could also have been a completely normal and understandable turn of phrase that was not intended to be offensive, but unfortunately was.
what if it was an otherwise white presenting student, who’s ethnic background the teacher didn’t know, who told the teacher, “change my seat or I’ll beat your ass”?
Then the teacher goes and gets help.
It is never okay for a teacher to insult a student and I have no idea why you and others don't realize that. Teachers always get disciplined for that if it is found out.
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You’re right, but some classrooms have actual terrorism. The students will scream, throw chairs, stab pencils, etc if they don’t get their way.
And in many cases the teachers can’t do anything. The principal may very well not give a damn at all and require the teachers to not only deal with it, but not report it.
I’ve seen this happen.
The students will scream, throw chairs, stab pencils, etc if they don’t get their way.
None of that is terrorism. That's just shitty behavior.
And in many cases the teachers can’t do anything.
In many cases they say that to avoid making decisions.
These people have never worked with kids. Ask any teacher, kids are terrorists. Probably shouldn't say it to their face though.
Stfu we are offended and can't wait for Trump to totally not "clean off" gaza.
This is a weird item to add in the "context" section, Reuters:
Incidents raising alarm over antisemitism include threats of violence against Jews..
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