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[–] [email protected] 91 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Was this supposed to convince anybody?

A lot of these Republicans secretly hate that their disabled neighbor gets government assistance. They hate having to deal with the bagger with down syndrome, or the autistic barista. They think their pregnant friend should be married, a stay-at-home-mom, and it should be her husband making the money. They don't want everybody to have an equal opportunity, they only want "people who deserve it" to have an opportunity. Where, of course, "people who deserve it" is conservative straight white men from rural areas, or whatever.

Honestly, how could you watch nearly 10 years of hateful rhetoric and think "oh, I just need to explain DEI better, then they'll support it!"

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

Upvotes for correctness. But don't forget the centrists.

The people you describe are a minority. And they convinced the centrists that DEI is just rich people keeping out working class people from top jobs.

These same centrists who did vote for Obama, did support abortion rights and marriage equality, just not as strongly as the left.

It all boils down to taking back the narrative and OP is trying to do that.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But how do you keep things fair for straight white males which is historically the most discriminated group against?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As far as I can tell, from their prospective DEI is harmful made-up psychobabble that must be eradicated at all costs, unless it's for veterans with PTSD or January 6th rioters who deserve a second chance. The only moral DEI is MY DEI, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Only some veterans with PTSD.

The rest can rot on the streets.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah, they definitely don't like veterans with PTSD. They like veterans who work for the police department and try to use their military / police status to insist on discounts at McDonald's.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Most straight white males are just as pedon class as the rest of us...

JFC

Fight the class war, why are you still doing this culture war trash?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Because they're attacking a part of our group and we need to defend our group.

This isn't attacking disabled minorities. This is attacking workers, and as workers we must fight back.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unless it happens to them, and then it's not really DEI. /s

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Or it's the Dems' fault.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hello I have a lot of those. I haven't had a job in 10 years because nobody will hire me because I'm unable to "pass" as able bodied neurotypical. I require a service dog with me.

I'm pretty much fucked where I live as I'm in a heavy republican state.

Let's see how long it takes for my public housing, medical and food stamps are taken away.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Why do you people think talking will help? You are so far past the point of honest discussion it's mind-blowing.

THERE IS NO EUREKA MOMENT COMING FROM RHETORIC.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Starting a revolution without articulating the cause is just a mob. People need to know what they are fighting for which will bolster unity and resilience.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The class conciseness is not there yet

But the owner class surely getting a ton of of people woke about the class war.

Thats the only positive trend pedons got going for them.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thats why when talking to conservatives you gotta target them, like if a pregant womans trying to make you agree with her on conservative points say hell yeah cant wait for them to get rid of all these pregnant woman that get paid for not working and just pop out babies to avoid work, if they're old make sure you talk about how you hope they get rid of social security, etc. Fully commit especially when they try to act like it should be kept, call them libreral snowflakes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

the only time their brain processes anything is when it effects them so hold up a mirror basically

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

"Don't care, these are not issues for rich people."

--Republicans

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

They don't give a shit. Stop acting like they care.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

It also includes type I and type II diabetes too so remember that when filling out those self identification forms

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

It's disingenuous to claim that this is all there is to DEI, or that this is the kind of thing that DEI opponents are actually opposing.

Oh and also the ADA was a thing before DEI, all this is covered by the the ADA, and I don't expect that most of the people opposed to DEI are also opposed to the ADA.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You'd be mildly surprised just how many conservatives also hate the ADA.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I work intimately with disability services for a state run, federally funded org.

To say we are on fire right now is an understatement. We may be closing applications altogether, funding is down like...80% from last year. And we are one of the top performing agencies in the country. There are whispers of layoffs. All my Trump voting family keeps telling me "oh, it won't be you guys, you do good work".

The water is on the ship, and it's up to our neck, and I'm being told that I'm safe from sinking because I'm responsible for mopping and keeping the floors dry, why would I sink?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All my Trump voting family keeps telling me “oh, it won’t be you guys, you do good work”.

You should bet them money. And you should make it explicit, both before and after you win your money, that you know that doing good work won't protect you because Trump is a big manbaby piece of shit who doesn't care if people are doing good work, and in fact mostly actively dislikes it.

(This is probably not good advice for your exact situation. It's just a satisfying thing to think through, the idea that you might do it and it manage to slap some sense into them, because they genuinely don't know what Trump is about. This is why I sometimes emphasize that it's not the Trump voters' fault, really, because their news is so backwards from reality that they really think he's a good person who's going to do good things. Seriously. I am 100% serious about that.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nah, the yearn for schadenfreude is large. I get it lol. I can't wait for the day I get arrested and I get to flip these people off, if not just to say "I told you so".

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (5 children)

DEI is just another corporate grift.

They don't serve the worker. It is the state jobs to protect the worker and a union's if there is one.

Some drone collecting paycheck from a corpo is the same thing as HR.

These parasites love talking big game but when push comes, they will always larp what daddy owner class tell them to.

I am still bitter I was forced to sit through a DEI seminar during my work day. Never again.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (8 children)

A whole seminar? And you even got paid? I feel for you.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like a lot of things, the original idea was a pretty good one. But, the original idea wasn't compatible with profit-seeking at all costs, or the mindsets and habits of a crew of remarkably dim members of the managerial class who had to put it all into practice. And so, the original idea got thrown in the bin, and replaced with a tradition of remarkably dim one-hour seminars which accomplish nothing at all beyond wasting an afternoon every now and then, and prejudicing people vaguely against the still-pretty-good original idea, which remains in the bin, still in its original packaging, unopened.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Boomers sexually harrased women

I do a sexual harassment training

Boomer does racist shit

I do anti racism training

Boomers only hired whites into exec rules

I do DEI training

...

I am done playing some parasites games. I value my time now too much to have to hear some idiot talk down to me on behalf of the guy who sexually harasses women and minorities while refusing to promote me into executive role

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

This is why being infected with the Woke Mind Virus is the best plague imaginable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

There are jobs some people should not be doing.

Any job where physical strength is required should only hire people who are strong enough to perform the task at hand. I don't know a single person who gives a flying fuck what the gender, race or sexual orientation or the fire fighter is who pulls them out of a burning building is. But they would ABSOLUTELY care if their loved ones weren't pulled from the building because they decided to hire a bunch of scrawny people that can't lift anything.

Pregnant women shouldnt be working at all. At least not after the first few months. Especially not at jobs that deal with chemicals or anything that I could potentially harm the pregnancy or the mother during the pregnancy. We should have properly covered maternity leave so they do not need to risk themselves or the child. It's unbelievable to me that we don't have that yet.

Police should be required to stay fit in order to keep their jobs. It is insulting to see a fat ball of sweat roll out of their vehicles and struggle to do basic tasks. They absolutely need to have minimum physical requirements for that job. I know they do at the start but apparently once you get past the initial physical they never check again. I have seen countless videos of smaller framed female cops being thrown around by skinny crack heads because they simply are not physically large enough or strong enough to be doing that task.

I am all for equality of opportunity, but I will never support equality of outcome. Some people simply should not be doing certain things. Even if it's not their fault they can't do that thing there is no reason we should be forcing it.

Hire the most qualified person for all jobs at any given time. ESPECIALLY don't skip over qualified people who will be able to perform that job exactly as needed to fulfill some diversity quota. Support those who are incapable of working any jobs, but do not force them into critical positions simply because you don't want them to feel left out.

I understand this wishful thinking of "anyone can do anything they put their minds to" attitude that I often see around these topics but that is unfortunately disconnected from reality. I will never fly a fighter jet. Despite having decent G tolerances I have unbelievably fucked eyeballs so I will never be allowed to fly a jet for any reason. To put me in a jet would be dangerous and irresponsible for everyone involved. I was delt a bum hand genetically speaking and it is what it is. I can do other things with my life and I have.

Edit: spelling

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (23 children)

Of course, DEI does not mean hiring unqualified or incompetent people, it's about finding accommodations to get people into jobs they can do, often very well, once you get past the idea that every worker has to look a certain way. Equating DEI with incompetence is a tired right wing strawman.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Pregnant women shouldnt be working at all. At least not after the first few months

Excuse me, no..?

This point specifically is extremely loaded.

— former pregnant woman

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Who the fuck is going to pay us to sit home and be Suzie Home Maker? All I see in these statements is some distorted idea of galantry. "The woman shouldn't have to work" ... in this economy?

In reality, being unable to work during pregnancy will leave women dependant on their partners and the family in a worse financial situation. They want us locked away in our own little boxes too poor to break free.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, absolutely.

Not only that, but the constant "danger to mother and child" really rubs me the wrong way, as well. Being pregnant is inherently dangerous in itself. Miscarriages can happen for literally no reason.

I think I understand the sentiment in the original statement, but it's a bit misguided in many ways.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

We should have properly covered maternity leave so they do not need to risk themselves or the child. It's unbelievable to me that we don't have that yet.

I love that you see ending DEI and, therefore, the employment of pregnant women as a good thing. But retroactively wish that our government could establish properly covered maternity leave.

You are incredibly naive if you think that will ever happen. DEI was a solution to that problem. Lobbyists pour huge amounts of money into preventing any significant mandates for maternity leave. People had to fight to continue to work and have job security because it is crystal clear that no one is coming to help us. We have to work. We have to feed our kids somehow.

Your logic is flawed. If they came up with a plan to cover maternity leave and then dropped the DEI, maybe it would make sense. But those actions in reverse? Directly lead to an increase in human suffering. The fact that you can not see that and are just happy that you have less competition in the working world demonstrates a lack of empathy. "Ohh, if only our government would properly cover maternity leave." You don't actually care. Stop pretending.

I realize I my diatribe was pregnancy related. But it goes without saying that this logic follows for disabilities and plenty of other situations.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Oh you mean the useless eaters? They're taking good jobs from hardworking abled Americans. /s

But seriously, disability rights are not as uncontroversial as she thinks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Optimistic to believe that Republicans care about the disabled or differently abled. Them getting caught in the crossfire is a feature, not a bug.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llci8MVh8J4&t=156s

Edit: I want to know who the fuck downvoted this. I'm not mad about it for me, I'm mad for her.

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