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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Hah! Well played!

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

lol the far left suppressed the democratic youth vote for their own candidate telling them they weren't voting for "genocide joe"

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yes, but the dems didn't do themselves any favors either.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where did you hear what the far left did?

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Massive protest marches in every American city, and takeovers of University commons across the country, on network news every night for months, during the spring and summer of an Election year, calling the incumbent Democratic President running for re-election "Genocide Joe", chanting "from the river to the sea" not only freaked out middle America (democrats and republicans in equal measure) but all of it, and not only suppressed the Democratic youth vote, but in fact all of it

edit: More Arab and Latino Americans voted for Donald Trump than have ever voted for any Republican candidate before in US history. The Republican youth vote was higher in this past election than it ever has been before, the Democratic youth vote was lower in this pas election than it ever has been before. The Far Left told us they weren't going to vote for "Genocide Joe", and Democrat youth didn't show up to vote.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is it possible that young people who didn't turn out to vote had independently reached similar conclusions to the ones who marched after seeing what was happening in Gaza with their own eyes?

There was another presidential candidate other than "Genocide Joe," who knew that as far back as March 2024 75% of Democrats (higher among youth) were against the Israeli actions in the war. She didn't change the US policy towards the conflict. When asked on October 8th if there was anything she'd have done differently than Joe, she said "Not a thing comes to mind."

Do you think the youth turnout could have been higher if Kamala materially shifted her policy on Israel and Gaza, once she was the nominee?

If she maintained a widely unpopular policy among Democrat youth, do you expect the electorate to fall in line instead of the politician representing the electorate? Would that not be undemocratic?

If most network media is owned by the same people who fund politicians and pay for the policies politicians espouse, including unconditional support for Israel, doesn't it sound plausible that the coverage of the protests was presented as far-left extremism in order to marginalize the opinion that US should curb support for the war and make it unacceptable, in the hope that the vast swaths of democrats would be shamed out of it? Doesn't that sound like a gamble they were willing to make, given they knew most democrats disagreed, in an attempt to keep funneling money for the war, despite what the electorate wanted?

At least to me, these are more likely explanations behind the lower turnout.

I'm not trolling and I'm not asking to change your opinion or anything. Just positing some Qs and explanations for you to consider. Don't feel the need to defend yourself.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Suck my balls. They're not going to do shit. They've learned absolutely nothing.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

They'll primary AOC before they "Street fight" republican fascism. And the fact that they're still making this about Trump and not the Republican party as a whole is extremely telling.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They've learned from the GOP that you can be very financially successful saying you're the only group that can do anything to help...with just a little bit more money.

Then every time you try and do something, it fails because you didn't have enough money, and blame everyone else.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's like dems whole deal.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's how both of them work, Trump's emails are structured the same way.

"Donate today or a [person from a political party] will eat your baby! Only [candidate] can stand up to the mean ol' [other party]."

Then 3 days later, video of the two opposing candidates sitting together, laughing, sharing a bottle of scotch, and their spouses sharing recipes at an event.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but gop actually does more work to destroy than dems do to move left. So in my mind donating to gop is actually value if you're a d bag.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Moving left and destroying rule of law are not, by definition, opposites.

Building resilient, rights respecting, widely trusted, and protective institutions is the opposite of tearing it all down, and Dems haven't been good at that in 30 years other than Obama doing a lot to boost up OMB to utilize data and evidence in decision-making. And just look how that's going at this point.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah that summarize how I feel. Dems idle center while gop is in fact doing work. The worst possible kind but a GOP supporter is probably happy.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Oh according to the article they're excited to ... Work with Republicans on key votes.

So they're going to do something, they're going to help the people they said are destroying our country.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This better be a literal street fight.

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

This better be the fucking street fight from Anchorman with a hand grenade and a circular saw and a dude with a claymore.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Fuck a street fight, I wanna see a drive by shooting.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Fingers crossed.

[–] ctkatz@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

I'll believe it when I see it.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

If we could harvest the Dem leaderships lack of energy to do anything we might be able to create vacuum energy or antimatter.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Wait... Are they admitting that they were just coasting before? Like, what the fuck guys? The GOP has been in full partisan war mode for 17 years. And you guys are just now realizing you need to get off your ass?

Also, the call to get off your ass is because you think they're going to reach out for votes on key bills? After all this you're still on about bipartisanship?

No. You let them fuck it up. You run ads about them fucking it up. You put their dysfunction on a fucking stage for the world to see. You do not rescue them. They would not rescue you. They have a trifecta. If they cannot pass anything with a trifecta that's a good result for you. (For anyone worried about the filibuster, it doesn't apply to budget bills, they don't need Democrat votes to fund the government)

Let them be hoisted by their own petard.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So what are they going to do? Write a strongly worded letter?

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An aggressively shaken fist in their general direction.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Now now! Whatever happened to civility?

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

We should not stoop to their level.

Maybe theyll offer a compromise that only gives them 90% of what they want instead of 95%, that'll show them

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's no such thing as a finger-wagging street fight, Democrats. Sorry.

[–] fallowseed@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

aoc shouting WORLDSTAR

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Oh, they are still around?

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I almost don’t care. They need to figure out what the rest of the USA wants and prep for the next election.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 month ago

Next election?

[–] Saljid@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Kinda funny how people think this could still be voted, discussed or reasoned away. Get a grip and look around, the Gleichschaltung is in full swing. Camps are being established.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Sadly, this is true.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Democrats used neoliberalism.

It made Republicans laugh.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

More meaningless rhetoric as the camps are being opened. Fuck the Dems. They were supposed to protect us.

[–] NudeNewt@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

Don't get me wrong I despise MAGA but holy cow, Democrats are spineless cowards.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] drthunder@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

I want to see some Nazis get hadoken'd