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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 117 points 1 month ago (3 children)

At least name the rep. There’s plenty of us here who would gladly call them.

[–] Bojack411@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

It really does seem like they are just trying to click bait when they pretend to not want to name the Employer

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I looked up the original thread and given that OP posts in r/Omaha, it's likely Don Bacon but since that's a small district it could also be one of the surrounding districts (possibly even in Iowa)

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Iowa has GOPer reps. And they are all fascists.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 14 points 1 month ago

Or the employer.

[–] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 102 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The definition of fascism is the marriage of corporation and state

  • Benito Mussolini

This is part of what true fascism looks like

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Yeah, well, what does that guy know about fascism?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Corporation in the sense he's using it is muddled, but what this is describing is accurate to what he meant. He meant that industry should be run by cooperative alliances that are under the fascist state. Like most fascists, he was always shifting what he meant by corporatism based on whatever rhetorical expediant that was most useful at the time. Corporatism sounds good but in principle it doesn't describe how exactly you form the corporations and how they govern themselves. It's accurate in the sense that this is an example of what he desired in using state power to always be a boot over any cooperative.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism to understand it's essentially a theory to contrast itself with Marxisim without actually describing specifics so it has wildly different interpretations that basically boil down to "let's get together and do what's best for everybody." Who knows how to draw the rest of the owl though.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's looked that way for a long time, we just can't play pretend, anymore. And for those who keep trotting out the "told you so," we told you the Dems needed to stop playing pretend and get serious with serious candidates, rather than slightly less fascist fascists.

referring to joe biden and kamala harris as "slightly less fascist than the guy who literally failed to coup the federal government" is quite a wild comparison to be making.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 month ago (5 children)

We warned the people who sat home on election day about project 2025 and yet they covered their ears and enabled all of this.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was told by a coworker, just after election day, that Project 2025 was just propaganda, and that "Democrats have their own propaganda too you know..."

Shit left me speechless. I was just like, let's revisit this conversation in three months.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

mine were like yea but the price of eggs

I assure you we now talk about the price of eggs, inflation, and job security daily

and by that I mean I talk at them while they pretend it is all fine

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's a really interesting time right now to talk to them about those egg prices.

I know they're going to stick their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA BIDEN" but you can't stop.

Seriously, we're in this mess because they wore us down so we stopped engaging. START ENGAGING AGAIN. We have to make this uncomfortable for them, all of them, they have to identify the correct source of this discomfort too. Stop caring if they scream or whine or threaten to not associate with you or ANYTHING else. We have to start getting some thicker fucking skin.

You know all that shit you see on your feed "Epic leftist DESTROYS prominent conservative!" and it's some select clip of a talk show or interview? You know all those smug "leopards ate their faces" posts that make it look like the right broadly is suffering under its own folly and we all just need to sit back and chuckle?

IT'S ALL BULLSHIT. NONE OF THAT MEANS ANYTHING. We are in the most danger of losing America than we've EVER been in since the revolutionary war itself. The right is NOT running scared, they're not worried, they're not suffering. Not yet at least.

They're celebrating in the streets because they think they're winning. Your TASK, each of you, is to make sure that when it starts really hurting, when their social services dry up, when their VA checks bounce, when their childcare subsidies are revoked, when their food stamps are canceled... is to draw for them a direct line between who they fucking voted for, and what they've lost.

You might think this sounds stupid and obvious, and that's the same conditioning that made you think we were going to win. Don't be naive. Build communities. Get informed. Get in people's fucking faces and who CARES if you get attacked, insulted, hit, screamed at or filmed? What TRULY do we have to lose when we're on the verge of losing everything?

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[–] msage@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So did you revisit that conversation?

Because I've heard that exact sentence from my buddy, who is from Eastern Europe - still talking about the US. Where did they get that info, I will never know.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I voted for Harris out of harm reduction with a funeral dirge in my heart yet again voting for neoliberal scum that sold out the country to the corpo Fascists lock step with Republicans for decades, but is this the resistance from now on, or will we eventually stop scolding what is now the past hoping it will change the present or future?

Because it won't. You can't shame his voters, Republicans have been immune to shame since Reagan, and scolding the low information "I'm not political, teehee when's football/Reality Show crap on" people who haven't had anything at all to vote FOR, only against the greater evil for the last 50 years will only make them roll their eyes and remain disengaged.

Either foment hot revolution starting with destroying the capital markets, steal the DNC with a socialist populist as trump did as a fascist populist to the RNC, or back a socialist Party. Everything else is masturbation on a sinking ship with the capitalists tearing new holes every day.

Because either under neoliberals or Fascists, the capitalists are unrestrained. And if the capitalists remain unrestrained, the planet WILL burn in our lifetimes for all of humanity effectively forever, as millions of years is forever to our little monkey brains.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There are microplastics in my kids' brains, but by God let's not slow down fracking in Pennsylvania.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 30 points 1 month ago (19 children)

And Democrats were warned that they need to stop putting their thumbs on the scale to push the most dog shit candidates that don't promise anything that will help the working class. Fascism happens when democracy is unresponsive to the needs of the working class, and for the last 50 years Democrats have just been great at finding excuses for why they can't do something. Do you think Trump will listen to the parliamentarian if they disagree with something?

Fuck, Democrats have even been voting for his cabinet picks, despite claiming Trump is a fascist. They all voted to confirm Marco Rubio.

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Democrats were warned

So, the litmus test of this logic is this: Do we blame the opposition for the Nazi party? Should we start doing that too after 80 years?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.

[–] WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With the amount of screaming and championing that the Dems have ignored I refuse to believe it's incompetence or ignorance. This is wilful and active support for the party they claim they're in opposition to.

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[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.

Yup, in other words post WW1 German society as a whole. People don't get to blame Dems without laying blame on themselves as part of this present society.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The antifascists are the only ones who weren't partly to blame. But also on a scale of who's most to blame, it's the nazis.

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Yes, we should, as liberalism works for capitalism and capitalism always leads to fascism. Rosa Luxembourg said it best, socialism or barbarism. But Marx and Engels described the end stage of capitalism almost 100 years before fascism.

[–] WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're not an opposition. They famously will not act like one. They're complicit. After this loss and the lack of resistance I'm done. I've canvassed and fought for Dems for almost two decades and I could count our number of "Wins" on one hand. What a colossal waste of my time and effort.

Dems/Reps aren't the same because they're just as bad as each other, they're bad because they're both on the same team. The Dems had multiple chances to stop this and actively chose not to. It was a trolly problem with no one on the other tracks.

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[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And voters were warned with years of inaction that they needed to start being more engaged.

The reason we have so many shit candidates is because people don't show up for the real ones.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (15 children)

"The purpose of a system is what it does". If our system consistently produces shit candidates, shit policies, shit results and demoralizes voters... Then we have a shit system and nothing will ever improve until we demand a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation and safe guards against fascism.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Democrats fielded someone who wasn't a criminal IN A BINARY CHOICE.

It's baffling how stupid people are. Just vote for the person who isn't a rapist bent on destroying the country. Like "see the man-child who can't keep his hands to himself? Vote for the candidate who isn't him."

Stop whining that Dems didn't field mother Theresa.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Stop whining that Dems didn't field mother Theresa.

I voted for Harris, but she was an accessory to Biden's genocide of Palestine. So don't pretend like she was a decent candidate. Her refusal to condemn genocide was monsterous and made her completely unfit for office, but she just happened to be the lesser evil so I voted for her.

Our system is just rotten beyond redemption. Conservatives ratchet the country towards oligarchy while Liberals act as bulwark against socialist reform that would actually help the working class.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Oh for fucks sake.

It's been ages now, it's getting to be like that all over the world. You don't vote for a candidate. You vote against the raving lunatics. It's starting to be like that everywhere. Do you really think you're going to find a politician you're going to want to vote for? What are you? 8?

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Liberals: genocide is ok with us so long as our team wins.

Is the bar for candidates in fucking hell? How about you grow up and gain a fucking conscience? This isn’t John Kerry in 2004 this is a fucking genocider.

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Genocide apologist

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Was it worth it for Harris and the dems to throw the election by standing with Israel? Neoliberals are also fascist.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Israel is so pro-Trump that they're giving him Gaza. Pull your head out of your ass.

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I understand you're hurt and concerned right now, with good reason. That said, to get out of this we need to be objective about how we got here.

Blaming our current situation just on people who didn't vote is not taking into account the whole picture. Yes, if non voters had shown up at the polls and voted Harris then Trump wouldn't have won. Also if people who voted for Trump had not shown up, then Harris would have won. If people who voted Trump had voted Harris, she would have won. So?

WHY do people act the way they do? Because of the candidates. Because of the parties. Because of the information they encounter. Because of the entrenched interests that have created a low quality of life, and led people to believe that nothing will change, and that they can't trust what "elites" say.

Does that make the current situation any better? No. But it at least hints at possible avenues to go down, ways things could be improved. Saying "we told them, but they didn't listen" implies there's not much action that can be taken, just relaying information beforehand, and scolding after.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Did a little bit of Reddit sleuthing, and it appears that the user lives in Nebraska, most likely in the Omaha area. That would mean that their representative is most likely Don Bacon, though if they live a little south of the city, it's not impossible that the representative is Mike Flood. Still, based on the users activity and the district maps, my money is on Don Bacon.

[–] Brosplosion@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

Don Bacon sounds like a corny name for a pig mob boss in a satirical Animal Farmesque story.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 month ago

we have a government agency to help with that sort of thing.

oh. right. had.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think the quick recourse is to find a new job and quit with no notice and no orderly handover once secured.

The longer term recourse involves lawyers but might end up with the OOP owning the company or at least getting a huge settlement.

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[–] rouroborous@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago
[–] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know some illegal recourses, and if they try to illegally destroy American lives then turnabout is fair play.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every fascist act is carried out by just a mere human. Same old problems have the same old solutions.

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

You are discovering what rel Freeze Peach was and how you don't have it anymore

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