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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tuberculosis has entered the chat.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, Salmonella.. It's the Macy's parade equivalent of preventable diseases by UHT and y'all been invited!

On the other hand, unrefrigerated raw milk is a fantastic way of meeting who's who of the bacterial world.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago

For some people it's the only culture they'll ever have.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

But it's natural! And natural always means it's good for you, because I'm scared of chemicals despite not knowing what a chemical is because I can't pronounce their names!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yup

This post is stupid

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think there is confusion between raw milk, pasteurized milk and UHT milk. Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated but it tastes horrible.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago

Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated…

While it’s still sealed. Once opened, it needs to be refrigerated.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’m that weird guy who prefers the cooked taste of UHT pasteurized milk.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Another weird UHT enjoyer here. If it weren't so expensive where I'm at then I'd be having it more often

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

There is decent UHT milk but it's by no means the majority of the market.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's a reason the milk man used to deliver every day

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] nerv 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why do you automatically discount your dad from being banged by the milk man as well?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

The milkman always comes twice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't get it. Isnt all milk to be refrigerated?

[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 month ago (15 children)

the post is highlighting the hypocrisy in refrigerating milk while also being against milk pasteurization, since both of those practices have been done for around a hundred years and serve to make milk last longer and be safer to drink.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just about every dairy product (butter, cheese, whey, buttermilk) was made as a way to keep milk safe for consumption. Rejecting pasteurization, which is just slightly warming up milk is incredibly obtuse and reeks of deliberate ignorance

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

maybe RFK(wasnt he behind all this nonsense?) is a secret militant vegan who wants to discourage people from drinking animal milk by making it harmful to humans(/s just in case)

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A lot of continental Europeans drink UHT which only needs refrigerating once opened.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

UHT is the opposite of raw milk.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I meant ULTRA heat-treated.

Beyond pasteurized.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Doesn't raw milk have an even shorter shelf life?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Depends on how you look at it. Raw milk spoils at the same pace as [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk. Only for raw milk the counter starts ticking once the milk leaves the cow, whereas [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk remains sterile until you open the package.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pasteurised doesn't equal sterilised. Not sure ofcourse where you live since apparently that matters for this term since some places used pasteurised for what is double pasteurization and thermized for single pasteurization.

I know the pasteurised milk I buy will spoil in a matter of days, even if unopened. The only milk that will stay good unopened for months us UHT.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in a way, no, because raw milk is already unsafe to drink by the time it's packaged

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

+1 for this: I have very personal experience with an E.Coli outbreak in a small town in southern Utah in 2017. Although the infections did not come from raw milk directly, the infections were traced to the area where the milk was packaged - and albeit anecdotally, there were several related deaths over the years that I was aware of, that were never reported due to the...uh...unique religious background of the place.

so yeah, I mean...don't let your children play in manure but also...don't drink milk that you sanitize less than you sanitize your hands.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So it doesn't turn into yogurt?

My fridge isn't full of raw milk or anything, but I think this goose is a better fit for the oven than guard duty.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Not sure if you're joking but to make safe to eat yogurt, you'll need to first kill the bad ones by heat, then cool it and once it is barren, you should invite the cool guys in like Lactobacillus bulgaricus, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lactobacillus acidophilus or Bifidobacterium lactis, they'll need to be kept cosy and warm, and that will give you yogurt.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

It's a bit like making alcohol—it's made through fermentation, but you want it to be very controlled.

Normally you'd want to sterilize the starting mix first to kill any undesired molds and bacteria, add the fermenting agent that you want (lactic acid producing bacteria in this case) and age it in a sealed container until ready.

If it starts with any contaminants or if any are introduced during fermentation, it'd spoil the batch and make you very sick if ingested.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

regular milk also needs to be refrigerated tho

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If your objective is to get sick then it needs to kept room in temperature.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

The only acceptable use for raw milk is cheese. Give me a raw milk camembert any day.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is such a dumb take. I don't trust raw milk, but those that do aren't arguing it won't spoil at room temperature. Like, I support buying local, free-range chicken meat. But if someone came up to me and said "Oh yea? Well if you like chicken without antibiotics and preservatives, why do you still refrigerate it?!" I'd look at them like a fucking idiot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Maybe the joke isn't particularly fair, maybe it doesn't really need to be.

You have logical reasons to avoid antibiotics and preservatives. Someone might not agree, but whatever the case, you made that decision based on some amount of evidence.

Raw milk though... I think the meme is correct to equate anger with pasteurization as a denial of germ theory. We pasteurize and refrigerate for the same reason: to keep bacteria from growing. It is a fair question: if pasteurization is unnecessary, why is refrigeration necessary? Avoiding preservatives doesn't beg the same question.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

OP definitely has some brain worms. RFK is that you?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Do you guys really drink milk? I don't think I've had a glass of milk since I was like 14.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I will have milk with things like cookies or chocolate cake. And milk is mandatory for Oreos.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My family used to drink milk for dinner. We probably went through ten liters of milk in a week. The top third of the fridge was always reserved for milk.

When i moved out i continued doing this for a while or eating cornflakes in milk, but eventually stopped because my adult body is not that fond of digesting milk. I eat crazy amounts of cheese though, but the well cured one that are low on lactose.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

About 0,5L per day, yes

I like milk

It also goes into some of the food

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

if you want cold milk just add ice

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, officer, this one right here.

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