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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 63 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

This is what I've been telling the accelerationists for a decade. You don't know what's going to step in and fill the political vacuum (I mean, we do now and it's angry white men playing at being gangsters) but I guaran-fucking-tee you it's not going to be the social democracy or socialist utopia that leftists want. It's going to be a bunch of thugs looting and burning govt for personal gain.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But THIS time the people will SEE and then the neoliberals won't have any support and the proletariat will finally rise up!

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

The proletariat: exhausted cricket noises

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago

With Meta, Google, Amazon, and Apple on board the fascist train I don't think the people will see. The revolution will not be televised because algorithms will filter it from our news feeds.

That's why the Fediverse is so important but even if it succeeds and people can communicate freely we need to then worry about AI generated propaganda flooding and poisoning the well. Whether that be text, images, or videos

I'm not optimistic, but, there's still a glimmer of hope deep down inside somewhere

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think you're right. It could seem worth it in the end, but not for a long while and maybe only in the perception of a future generation.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Accelerationist view has always been that you need a fascist driven collapse to shift the pendulum back to progressive peace.

The US empire shifting to more explicit domination of its colonies instead of wars it cannot win, is provoking the CIA/establishment world order to double down on CIA enemies list, potentially embracing US extortion with massive weapons purchases to fight US enemies on its own. The brainwashing in service of US empire domination is so established that evil and hatred is our new identities, because of our misplaced trust in the CIA owned politicians ruling our colonies.

The reason accelerationism isn't an actual solution is that revolutionary change it might breed/catalyze will be based on reactionary hate more than reason/shared prosperity.

Still, the war on US colonies and Russia was always a deeply anti human US empire move, and it would be surprising that no mental clarity from colonies can arise to free themselves, even if that takes more time than a week. That breaking US empire fascism was so easy without a civil war, is a big win, when time passes for you to understand it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago

I feel sick that was so goddamned embarrassing. And all of the demented rapist’s toadies climbing over each other to stick their tongues in it.

Jesus fucked up Christ

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

W Bush was the collapse, this is the looting

"First as tragedy, then as farce"

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

The supreme court handing the Florida election to W was the tipping point. We still could have pulled ourselves out of the shit at that point. It would have been ugly and Republicans would have fought it every step of the way but that was the opportunity before the far right media networks had consolidated their holds on radio and TV.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

If Biden/Kmala had more loyalty to the American people than Israel's genocide we could have avoided all this...

But that's the big lie with neoliberalism. They don't want a continuous string of "moderate" presidents. They need villains like trump to destroy things so they can get applause for fixing 10% of the damage.

I just can't think of another reason they refuse to stop being so antagonistic towards their own voters.

The only way they can be this out of touch, is if they're actively trying to lose.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You blame Kamala for the majority of American voters choosing Trump?

Anyone who didn't vote or voted for Trump is to blame. It's no one else.

Kamala could have promised to personally shoot a Palestinian baby and you still should have voted for her because Trump has already killed 17. And it's not a surprise. It was a campaign promise to genocide Palestine.

[–] lemminator@lemmy.today 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course she's to blame. She had an easy win, against the lowest approved president we've had and chose genocide and billionaires over winning.

I always find it telling when people blame those who couldn't stomach voting for genocide, instead of blaming the Democratic leadership for running on a platform of genocide.

[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck this foolish narrative, even Bernie couldn't come close to winning Texas.

[–] lemminator@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

Well, we don't know that, because we didn't let him try. He did originally poll better than Trump in texas.

[–] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I really love the playbook of Person A does something reprehensible, so of course Person B is to blame. Just looove it.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think it's that wrong. With what I've heard the Dem party is as undemocratic as it can get. You or I have no say in party operations. Even candidates - except for the president - have little say over how it operates. They don't even hear of meetings where big decisions are made. No wonder they're out of touch when the only opinions that matter are corporate donors and billionaires

[–] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Blaming Person B is a distraction to the fact that their simping for Person A. Now we're all arguing over Person B instead of Person A. Like I said, just loooove it.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

The fact that it's the fascists' own fault goes without saying. They're irredeemably evil complete monsters and will not change no matter what we do, so what's the fucking point talking about it?

We talk about the Democrats' failure to stop them because that's the only part of this that we had any chance of actually fixing!


Let me put it this way: if there's a rabid dog running loose biting people, and we complain that its owner is irresponsible for refusing to put it down, do you think we're simping for the fucking dog?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, the DNC forced candidates people didn't want to vote for, and now no one wants to blame the DNC for the results of their own choices against the voters will.

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic tho, because is sure as hell haven't been loving the results.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's ironic that you'd accuse Kamla of being responsible for Trump in a thread ridiculing Trump for accusing Zelenski of being responsible for Putin.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who lost an election against literally the worst president in modern history who didn't even have an incumbent advantage?

So yeah I blame the DNC leaders at the time, Biden, and Kamala for trump being able to win an election.

All they had to do was look at polls of what Dem voters want, and say "yeah, I'll try to do that".

That doesn't take $1,500,000,000. But that's how much the Dem campaign was to lose to trump.

But sure Karen, blame people on social media. How could 1.5 billion dollars compete with that?

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

$1.5 billion is chump change compared to social media, are you fucking kidding?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh, so it's not a lot of money?

Because most of it was stolen from state parties via the "victory fund" and that just keeps handing Republicans House and even Senate states ...

Like, if that money didn't matter, why didnt we leave it with the state parties so Trump wouldn't have the House and Senate?

Because saying 1.5 billion isn't enough to compete with dem voters online who don't like the candidate...

I fucking bet we could have won three house seats for 500 million a pop and trump couldn't be doing what he wants right now ....

Luckily the new DNC chair is going back to being competitive in down ballots again.

But fuck man, are you really saying you think we need to keep throwing even more of eggs into one basket? Even after that one basket spent four years telling us anyone who thought the presidency basket mattered is an idiot.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Short and simple, shut the fuck up.

All these supposedly leftist assholes that where willing to sacrifice everyone and everything stomping their feet and telling people to stay home, BOTH SIDES!1!1, helped usher in this hellscape and they perfectly well KNEW this would be the outcome of their actions.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

My current favorite is talking about how terrible Project 2025 is going to be (it is) and in the same breath mocking the idea of voting for Dems in the 2024 election.

Golly gee. If only there were a politician, however bad, who was NOT going to implement Project 2025. I wonder if we might not be here.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

People are mad at you but I totally blame professional politicians for not being able to convince enough people to keep that asshole from getting elected.

AGAIN.

They’re terrible at their jobs and deserve blame.

ETA: if you disagree with me don’t bother writing a 10,000 character reply. I won’t read it because I’ve heard all the excuses before. Like for my entire life. Just downvote me.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

They’re terrible at their jobs and deserve blame.

Absolutely.

There's a lot of blame. Plenty to go around.

Guilt for everyone. Not that most of the cretins in suits can feel guilt.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They’re terrible at their jobs and deserve blame.

I mean, they're fantastic at setting up opportunities for record fundraising. Actually achieving our political goals, not so much.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, they’re great at their jobs but it’s not winning elections.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

MAGA never got over a black man as POTUS. They were never going to allow a woman, a black/Asian woman, to becom POTUS, by any means necessary.

PS Yes I'm saying the vote was stolen.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

MAGA never got over a black man as POTUS

That's not what it was. They hated Bill Clinton just as much as they hated Barack Obama, the only difference was Faux was created in late 1996 and didn't go fully off the deep end and got popular till 03 with the Iraq war...

Like, the only reason there was ever the big push saying it was Obama, was bullshit neoliberals doing what they always do.

It's the first rule of American neoli liberalism:

  1. No matter what the result, say we need to move right.

Just like they claimed their crime bill did what the ban on leaded gas did for crime rates, just like they said de-regulation did what the dotcom boom did to the economy...

The rise of conservative media started when Clinton allowed it to:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

Seriously, it took 9 months, as fast as a human baby for Faux News to be created.

And then when people asked why it exploded in 2003...

People blame the Black man no one had heard of yet because it continued along the same trajectory while he was president.

Fuck.

I feel old having lived thru this. And I can get why 18 year olds dont know it...

But how can anyone over like 35 not understand why we're at the point we are? We literally lived thru this shit during our formulative years.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We often agree, but I gotta hard disagree here.

hated Bill Clinton just as much as they hated Barack Obama

Did you watch any Fox News during either Presidency? They hated Clinton, but they went full bigfuck on Obama. Same for "man in the street" opinions. The people grumbling about Clinton went apeshit when Obama got in. I'd never seen such on outpouring of hate in American politics.

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't blame a black man. I blame the racists who couldn't accept a black man.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But they wouldn't have had the megaphone to unite them under trump if not for the telecommunications act of 1996, right?

You understand that is the root cause of our current situation right?

Because you're still not blaming the right people.

the racists who couldn’t accept a black man.

Or am I just "whooshing" here and that was a reference to the neoliberal wing who's idea it was and how they'd rather have trump than anyone like Obama again?

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or am I just "whooshing" here and that was a reference to the neoliberal wing who's idea it was and how they'd rather have trump than anyone like Obama again?

They'd rather have any white male rather than any woman or anyone else of color. But after all the investment and effort in Trump, no point trying to put someone else in the seat so they stuck with him.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They’d rather have any white male rather than any woman or anyone else of colo

It has absolutely nothing with Obama.

1996 (early): Clinton gets rid of the regulation that was requiring the media to not just blatantly lie. (A cynic would say so billionaire owned media could shit on progressives and say neoliberalism is working)

1996 (October): Faux goes on air.

2001: Bill leaves office, GW enters.

Then 9/11 which is what Faux used to radicalize their voters, and they had 7 years to do so.

We could have elected the ghost of Ronald Reagan in 08 and they'd have gotten the same results as Obama from Faux News.

Don't blame Obama for being Black

Blame the administration that literally de-regulated the media, if it wasnt for Bill Clinton, how they treated Obama legally couldn't have happened*

I feel like I'm just repeating the same thing, but it is important we understand how we got here.

So fuck it, I'll keep repeating this for whoever asks, as many times as necessary

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Go ahead. I'll keep blaming racist fuckfaces

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And ignoring why they got the megaphone to say it on cable news?

Faux News legally couldn't exist until neoliberals removed fair broadcast regulations...

Because that was the only way to convince people neoliberalism was working.

We had laws against propaganda until neoliberals got rid of them

Now you want to blame anyone except the people who made that propaganda legal.

This is like if I gave a baby a gun, the baby shot you, and then you listened to me when I told you the baby was the problem.

Instead of questioning why we gave a baby a gun, it even addressing the problem that I'm still giving baby's guns...

You realize we could have fixed this when Biden had the House and Senate...

Or when Obama had the House and Senate...

Are you waiting for Republicans to reinstate the regulations against propaganda?

Neoli erals won't fix this, republicans won't fix this, can you guess who that leaves?

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Please repeat that.

Going against Israel has never been good for anyone’s political career.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you guys know that this fiasco unfolded under a bust of Winston Churchill?

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Double irony here.

“You’re all dressed up today,” Trump said sarcastically.

Check out Churchill's outfit during a war time visit to the White House

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, how is the hegemony collapsing? The ruling class is still ruling; and that's kind of the problem.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US ruling class is losing its allies it projected hegemony onto.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The us ruling class has its allies holding power in every branch of government. And is both projecting and subject to global hegemony.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US ruling class is losing its international allies it projected hegemony onto.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago

the USA has never been a hero