Only the 2nd podcast episode in and ANOTHER anti-trans guest.
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May the gods smile on Katie Porter's candidacy.
He not only burnt his state down literally, but also now speaks to anti-LGBTQ+ pundits.
Sports are stupid and people should just give less of a shit about them in general. Its not the end of the world for a person just because they cant play sports.
Not a single trans person i know actually gives a shit about sports, if being in womens sports is part of the agenda its pretty far down the list. Youd think based on how much its talked about there is some kind of massive invasion when nothing is really happening (hmm a familiar strategy). Most of these people who pretend to care can't even name 3 women in the sport theyre pretending to rage about, let alone name a trans women whos dominating in a given sport.
Its because not enough people pushed back over the "bathrooms" because so few people even feel "comfortable" using a public rest room at all and just want to be left alone. They cant convince liberals all trans people are bathroom rapists but its a lot easier to do with sports when some of the same HRT meds is what cis people use to gain an advantage in some sports, its very easy to mudy the waters that way and shift public opinion.
Geez, y'all go overboard with some of this stuff and it's ridiculous. Newsom is not anti-trans, he's not anti-LGBTQ+, and he's not against any rights of any other marginalized communities as far his other statements and actions assert. He said he thought the sports issue was "deeply unfair".
Guess what? Lots of people do. I hate to use a meme phrase, but we DO live in a society that has to somehow represent all people where possible. We have to try and make as many people happy with what we have to work with.
You can think that's an unfair situation for BOTH SIDES and not be against either one. Cis women thinking it's unfair to compete against newly transitioned women are bad now? Women are suddenly bad or wrong for speaking out on something they take issue with? What about them?
Is Newsom on the wrong side of society for being an advocate in all other ways to the LGBTQ+ community but thinking this one thing isn't fair to either side? No. That's a stupid assertion.
It's a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren't further marginalized.
Get a grip with this bullshit.
This isn't just about trans people in sports. He is giving his platform to bigots who are anti-trans people existing in hopes of getting their support in 2028. It's gross.
"It’s a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren’t further marginalized."
Giving platforms to bigots make this much harder. Why give them greater access?
“Deplatforming” people is explicitly the reason why the far right has gained so much power. We used to bring the KKK to tv and they always embarrassed themselves. When you deplatform people you in fact send them to platforms where they can control the narrative, and where everyone agrees or won’t disagree with them (like Joe Rogan). Instead platform them and put them in a position in which they have to defend their views against someone who disagrees with them.
Forbidden ideology is as alluring as forbidden knowledge.
Bro, you’re saying we should give racists microphones so they can recruit more racist shit bags, what the fuck are you smoking?
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Not offering someone a guest spot on your show isn't deplatforming them. They aren't the same thing.
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Logic says that what he's doing is what he said: bridge the gap between opposing forces in society.
Rationale says that he's trying to appease a wider audience to run for President.
Do I like it? Not a fucking bit. Is either solution necessary to keep operating in politics? Absolutely.
Im not sure you have to platform bigots. You could have on conservative guests who don't have a history of hateful comments.
I could talk to JD Vance about stopping this bullshit with the tariffs, but he wouldn't be the person to talk to about that, right?
Would you say Vance isn't a bigot?
Did newsom do that here? Because it sure looks like he brought charlie kirk on his podcast to make a point of agreeing with him about trans people.
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Then why you keep passin' the hot mic to people talkin' shit about trans athletes? Why amplify that voice on your government podcast? Thats literally Nazi shit. The Nazis made all this "traditional family" bullshit we are drowning in. So no, he shouldn't be saying it and isolating the already vulnerable. Theres like 10 trans althetes in the fucken nation, leave them alone and fix the fucken markets.
Youre really leaning into my point. You're going out of your way to equate random shit that has nothing to do with his actions or anything other things he's done, but only that...he said the sports issue was deeply troubling. Nevermind the piece of shit he was talking to, which is way more troubling. Get mad that he was talking to Charlie Kirk of all people.
That's the point... He brought on Charlie Kirk, and rather than, arguing with him... or trying to show his audience why what Kirk has to say shouldn't have a place in the discourse. He basically was looking for something he can agree with and highlighting the good.
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That's what we are complaining about. His second guest is also a known transphobe.
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In some cases, sure I'll grant it can be unfair for newly transitioned women, i.e. on hormones for less than a year. After that, any potential advantage is for a large part nullified (which is overly simplistic as a timeline but whatever). Also, let's be real honest on just how many people this affects. The amount is so staggeringly small that even if we put aside that there is only a temporary advantage, there's really not much of a problem, just a handful of individuals.
But, and this is vitally important to understand, sports are not a core, vital governmental interest and thus do not need to be legislated. To be very plain, games are not important to the functioning of society. Individual leagues can come up with their own policies if they feel it so necessary to exclude the small number of trans women who want to participate.
The entire "debate" just shows we are not a serious society. God forbid trans women want to exist and pursue their interests.
As for Gavin Newsome, this really shows he's trying a bit too hard to start a presidential run with a theory of "let's be Republican Lite." That worked so well the last time.
Did we listen to the same interview where he asked Charlie Kirk what policies they should borrow from MAGA and eventually landed on banning trans women from sports?
Yeah, and he shot Kirk down and ignored all the other idiotic shit, and the only common ground he found was...this. He didn't even say he was against it ffs, just that it was unfair. Immediately everyone started up the "HE'S ANTI-TRANS" flagpole and refused to come back down. It's insane.
It's not unfair for trans women to play in sports though! His answer is what I expect from someone who hasn't done their homework on the topic, which would be strange for a potential presidential candidate. I read this not as ignorance, but as a political calculation.
I read it as either cowardice or malice.
No one ever talks about all those times Benedict Arnold didn't betray the US.
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I think you're missing the point. Trans people are under attack in the US. Many are considering fleeing the country due to how unsafe they feel. Some are unable to get passports as easily as you or I, so they cannot just up and go. Which is why many are considering asylum, because there are places now in the US where they are considered criminals, felons, just for existing.
Now out of all the topics this man can talk about, having an anti-trans bias is absolutely a choice he is making. I agree with you that the trans community has much bigger issues, and every breath we waste on who is playing kickball with who is time better spent discussing their real issues.
What's deeply unfair is trans people being shuffled into prisons, and the media is latching onto sports. Let this podcaster fade into irrelevence, as he isn't helping the actual problems by muddying the waters with this.
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But it wasn't just sports, he also agreed that minors shouldn't be allowed to transition. Forcing a minor to go through one type of puberty when they wish to go through a different kind IMO is torture. Regret rates for transitioning are extremely low, and even if you do regret it you're no worse off than someone who regrets not transitioning.
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Liberal DeSantis thinks he's going to be president.
This is how he's trying to win the favor of party leadership. Demonstrating that he can enthusiastically throw vulnerable minorities under the bus.
You guys are mad at him but he is taking the same stance that the majority of people have on it.
Whether or not he actually believes that stance only he would know, but I would suspect that like many other people who are now "flipping" on the trans athletes these people probably didn't support them being in women's sports, but felt compelled to say they did because of the backlash they were worried about getting.
Now that people are noticing that the general public actually doesn't want this they are either playing into to popular stance to take or they are just feeling safe to actually express their opinions on the matter authentically.
Trans lives matter. The public opinion will shift as it has throughout history. Trans people aren't going to go away.
Nobody said they didn't matter?
Not wanting trans women to compete against biological women in sports does not mean people want them to "go away". It means they aren't the same as biological women and people are tired of you guys pretending that they are.
When you look people in the eyes and tell them that a biological man that now identifies as a woman can actually get pregnant (despite lacking the biological requirements to do so) you are asking them to ignore reality and science which most people simply aren't willing to do.
Ozma has attached an article you really need to read about the myths. But also, why are you bringing up trans women being able to get pregnant? Is that what you define as a biological woman? Because there are plenty of cis women who aren't able to get pregnant. No one is saying trans women can get pregnant, until we have womb transplants that is. But right now? No one says trans women can get pregnant. But we do say that after hormones the differences between cis women and trans women really isn't a big difference besides born with equipment.
Also your insistence with using "biological" instead of cis while still saying that you don't think trans women should disappear really isn't helping your case. Just use cis, what's wrong with that? The term biological is being used by the right to invalidate trans women being women at all, cis is what they are. Just use that word.
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No centrist cares. They have an excuse for breaking solidarity with a vulnerable minority.
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice [...]
That was Martin Luther King Jr. talking about civil rights. It rings just as true today for trans people.
Yes but it has not shifted yet, and the backlash is massive. So until public opinion shifts this is the stance to take in order to win. Reminder that Obama ran opposing gay marriage.
The reality is that in a democracy, minorities need to win their rights by convincing the majority that they deserve them. As awful as that sounds, it’s the reality. So the trans movement still has a long fight ahead.
What backlash? All I see is Republicans making a mountain out of a molehill.
And the democrats stay silent which is an admission of their support. The republicans will keep twisting this knife like they always do with cultural issues ,and it will keep winning them points unless democrats come out and speak plainly against these issues or at least take the most neutral of stances. People dislike it so much they they’d rather vote for Trump or not at all than support trans women in sports or transitioning minors. This is the line that a lot of “common sense” liberals won’t cross and they so happen to be the kind of voters that win elections. I’m sorry to say but the trans community will need to keep fighting for at least a decade or two more I think.
If you think that "trans athletes" is a legitimate political concern, then you're a dummy at best and a fascist at worst. No surprise it's a major issue in the heart of empire.
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At least this will probably end his political career. The left really doesn't need another rich liberal pushing for status quo, and Newsom has shown he's effectively just that.
All of this is likely to shift his image and potentially woo some right-wing voters in a future election and... Nah. I'm not about that. Too much of that.
The “left” has gotten sick of his act as he keeps moving further and further right in order to appease republicans. I doubt he makes it far if he runs for president unless he switches sides and goes full republican, which wouldn’t be surprising.