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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“European Starlink rival” is a bit far fetched when there’s merely rumours that they might be able to offer a similar service. But that’s the stock market for you.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

They have both GEO and LEO satellites. Not on the scale of Starlink (for LEO), but they do have a network.

I am not commenting on the nature of the stock market or anything like that. Just pointing out that they do have a working network, it's not 100% speculation (like you see with crypto schemes).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You're correct but their LEO constellation is over 10x smaller than Starlink, so they've still got a lot of catching up to do.

They are doing much better than other fabled starlink competitors though, like amazon kuiper which is still not a real thing after all this time.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago

They have one strong competitive advantage that Starlink will never have; they are not American.

By definition, you cannot trust an American service. Even if the people who run a given service are not degenerates, there are enough degenerates in the US that they could elect a degenerate who will fuck you over.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now they have to offer a similar service. No pressure then 😊

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sat internet is so overhyped. As it's limited by physics cell towers will always outperform them. Simple as that.

  • cities - cables and 5g
  • country side - 4g and cables in high concentration areas
  • middle of nowhere or war zones - low orbit sats.

This is purely a security issue not a consumer one.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Spoken like a true spoiled city person Good luck getting the necessary infrastructure built (cables, towers, et al) to really remote places. It's probably more expensive in the long run than having a satellite constellation.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Good luck? Most of the world is already there. I had 3g in deep jungles of Thailand last weekend and even in the most remote places in China have wire these days.

The main point is that sat is limited by physics so cell towers and wire are upgrades over sat so it makes much more sense to start with better technology now as we'll never need less connection.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Idk i live in a country where we have wifi in some forests and free wifi in every large city. And we're an ex soviet shithole.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Americans honestly think their shitty infrastructure is the best in the world.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Infrastructure can be a real problem in some places.

I'm currently on a mountain and since they upgraded to a hybrid satellite/cable system the speeds have skyrocketed. Laying cable/towers is just not viable, especially with dense rock peaks blocking line of sight.

Also I have coworkers in Nigeria who lose internet multiple times a day (and often don't have the bandwidth for a video call) but most of them have bitten the bullet and paid the high up-front cost to get starlink at home. And now can do HD video calls with zero interruption (unless they have power issues, but that's a whole other thing).

So I think there's a lot of use-cases for sattelite, especially for people who aren't considered worth the investment in non-sattelite infrastructure.

It's just unfortunate that yeah, space junk is going to one day (suddenly) be a massive problem.

Edit: ah I may have replied to the wrong comment

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It'll be interesting to see what the Canadian telesat LEO system will be capable of. They're supposed to be launching satellites next year and are using a higher orbit so will need much fewer satellites than starlink.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (9 children)

But sadly increased latency. Also don't hold your breath on Canada telecom anything, we have a history of being the worst at it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I don't mind a bit more latency (should still be nicely below 100ms) but my use case is more related to mid-Atlantic mobile connectivity than remote region broadband.

Their planned implementation just seems much better than others with beam shaping, linked satellites and less than 200 satellites to maintain and replace.

Although you're not wrong about our telecom track record...

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bye bye future space launches once we have full or partial Kessler syndrome.

Bye bye earth based astronomy.

But dang this tech is so much better than Hughesnet

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Kessler syndrome doesn’t really apply for purely LEO satellites. They all burn up in a single digit amount of years.

It’s not something to worry about yet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

On the contrary, I think it is something to avoid. Imagine letting a single person ground all space launches for 9 years. And all the pollution that adds to the atmosphere. All the junk landing on people's farms or houses.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Unpopular opinion: we don't need freaking internet from satellites, just get cat6 in every home and everyone is happy. I'm sure the cost would be lower then having to launch 999999.91 satellites to have similar speeds

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

cat 6 in every home lol. you have any idea about range of cat 6? I mean, any?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

~50m for cat6, ~100 cat6a, enough to get you to a switching box where you connect to fiber.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There are remote areas where cable won’t reach. For example, I need surveillance on a remote farm and I would love to get internet there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Cable will reach anywhere. There is not such a place that cable "will not reach". Is there a profit incentive to serve you as a customer in a capitalist system? Maybe not. But cable will reach.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not sure if you are in Europe, but in the US there are places where you could walk the width of Germany and see 100 houses. It does not serve to be technically correct here. Also, how would that work with boats / other vehicles and places without infrastructures?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

You do if you're fighting a war against Putin and the ketamine troll is threatening to turn off your internet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Now get rid of the home and the cable, how do you cover 99.9% of the earth? Nomads need satellite, and so do rural homes too far from an isp fiber/copper endpoint But yes, if starlink has it done, why double the satellites to do it again with a different name? Because it's easier to launch 1000 more satellites than dismantle the system that enables such feats.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cat 6A caps out at like 330 ft. Also thats a ton of copper.

Fiber optic nonprofit utilities makes more sense in cities and in rural areas we should just subsidize cell phone data plans.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Satellites are not there for speed, but breadth

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

So much space junk….

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is starlink business model like uber/airbnb? Killing the market with low prices by circumventing regulations to establish their monopoly?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, it just vertical integration. You need to send up rockets to make money, so you make sure they never have an empty slot on them by filling it yourself. You get enough satellites up, then you have a revenue generating payload you can send up steady from then on.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If only I wasn't too chicken shit to start investing... I was looking at Eutelsats stocks earlier in the week. But it'd be my first steps on the market so decided against it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We all know why CNBC. You could have just posted the title.

Because the drug addled used car salesman who's currently about to default on his Twitter loans decided to embrace his roots and started throwing up seig heils and is currently having a crack team of 4chan incels dismantle a government while he threatens the world and works to make what he's doing here happen everywhere.

Dude is a comic book villain. Villain of the week level. No real staying power. Either he'll go broke or die from a ketamine overdose before Xmas. And what a gift that will be. I hope it happens on video.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

die from a ketamine overdose

Please stop, I'm old and I can only get so excited.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Of course it did, While we are at it, are there any programmes that aim to clean up space junk ?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Oh look, it's on sale!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is why I will never be rich. I never see business opportunities to buy tons of stock and act upon them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You also need a ton of money to invest or you're just getting pocket change.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What will they launch on? Star Link is barely feasible because they can launch at cost on falcon 9.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Look up Ariane 6. It's still more costly than the Falcon 9 but who in their right mind would trust the numbers Elon is sharing? Seems like they both cost around 100million $ per launch. Elon is claming 30million per launch and that he will make it cost 2 million...

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A European Starlink rival’s shares skyrocketed 390% in a week — here’s why

OOOH!!!! OOH!!! I KNOW THIS ONE!!! STARLINK GO BOOM! PEOPLE GO NOPE! TESLAS STOCK PRICE GO (bomb falling sound effects) KABOOM!!!!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

invest in community run broadband instead

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, but the surge is for Ukraine and Europe is gearing up to defend itself. It’s easier for Ruzzia to take out community broadband than it is satellites in orbit around earth.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm stuck with star link as of present. I would defiantly like for a competent and competent competitor in the market. Competition is the core of capitalism and the driving force behind development.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (8 children)

But also, we cannot have so many god-damn satellites polluting the night sky. Starlink should never have been allowed to get up there as a private actor in the first place.

It's a tricky situation, as international cooperation would be extremely difficult to maintain, especially during situations like the Ukraine war. But having private companies compete to fill the orbit with space waste as soon as possible is hardly a good solution either.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Good. Fuck Starlink.

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