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Resist: It's Time
We are still in this together, but "this" is going to be real different in the very near future. This demands a different kind of "we."
The French Resistance during Nazi occupation played important roles delivering downed Allied airmen back to safety, supplying military intelligence, and acts of sabotage.
The Underground Railroad is estimated to have brought 100,000 freedom seekers to safety between 1810 and 1850.
It's time.
Rules
- Do not gatekeep resistance
- Do not organize specific subversive plans here.
- Do not identify yourself or anyone else here.
- Do brainstorm general ideas about how to support people who need it and stymie the efforts of fascists
- Do share thoughts on how to be personally prepared for subversive action
As a Canadian, likely to receive your invasion, can I interest you in some of the fine offerings from the Nerf family of fine rifles and pistols?
It is highly unlikely that American soldiers could largely be convinced to attack Canadians. We hardly even see you as foreign.
I wish I had your confidence! Didn't a bunch of Michigan rednecks kidnap their own governor? I worry that same mentality will become a risk as Mr Trump's bluster increases in volume and phlegm.
What if we started broadcasting some friendly games of lacrosse? If those aren't violent enough, we can broadcast some UNfriendly matches in our national sport too. Would that frighten Y'all Qaeda with a show of brutality?
Can we leaflet bomb with something like "join us! Bring your own province! We have socialized healthcare and cookies!"
Spitballin' here.
You have to keep in mind that members of the military are not dramatically pro Trump. They are politically a mixed bag and the people at the top are largely very conservative (the actual meaning of the word conservative, not what we have going on in our Republican party right now). Only a minority would have any interest in attacking Canada no matter how much Trump tries to get people worked up about the idea.
AR-15. With how common they are you can easily find a configuration to your liking and can just as easily find parts and ammo. They are very reliable, easy to upkeep, easy to clear jams, easy to mod, easy to shoot, etc.
I'd also suggest a reliable pistol that holds 10 or more rounds, a Glock 17 or 19 would be my recommendation. They are super reliable, stupid easy to assemble, and take the most common ammo. Just like the AR-15, Glocks are easy and reliable and there is a huge market for things like holsters and magazines.
I'm a vet and developed a dislike for the AR15 platform, but this is a solid recommendation. All things considered, it's easy to source, and ammo is plentiful.
AR-15. With how common they are you can easily find a configuration to your liking and can just as easily find parts and ammo.
People said 5.56 ARs because that's what military and shtf cops would have...
But military is going to ~~6.5~~ 6.8mm and that trickles down to cops fast. And the production lines for ammo would go with them. So 5.56 won't be 'cheap' forever, and if things go crazy won't be all over the place like we thought because it wouldnt be deployed with troops
But the reason we're moving from 5.56 is it lacks the punch of AKs especially against body armor.
So for a rifle I'd say a generic AK these days. 5 years from now? I'll probably say a ~~6.5~~ 6.8mm AR.
Glock 17 or 19
For open/nightstand you can't beat the classic Beretta. If you want to have what cops/military would have go p320 these days. But 9mm loads into any 9mm magazine, and whatever you're getting, get a bunch of magazines.
For "waistband" carry tho I'm going to say the new Keltec p15. 15+1 the skinnier than a single stack subcompact, and actually pretty accurate. Pretty much zero chance if "finding" magazines if shit happens, but you should buy in bulk anyways.
An AK-47 or AK-74 will have no advantage against hard armor compared to a 5.56 AR-15, only genuine armor piercing rounds would make any difference, for any of them.
If you've seen combat footage from Ukraine, you'll notice that despite most combatants wearing armor, it doesn't make them particularly resilient against direct small arms fire, and I think most of it isn't even AP. the armor buys them a second chance in some cases, but if the enemy don't hit the armor, they go down regardless, even if it's not immediately fatal.
I wouldn't suggest anyone concern themself with having the best armor piercing capability, it matters much less than you'd think.
TL;DR: You want an AR with a red dot, or holographic sight. And something autoloading in 9mm, ideally with some sort of optic. The Pistol is more relevant.
Now I have a lot to say. We're gonna start with why I made my choices. I have a rifle in 22, in 556, a shotgun in 12ga, and a pistol in 9mm.
I went with an AR, in 556, because that's the default rifle in the US. If you're joining a club, you should have the standard equipment for that club. It's the most common, and the most common chambering. 223 or 556 can be found anywhere. Being common, the ammunition is cheap-ish. It's also quite light as rifles go, fitting your requirements well. An AR in 556 can be had from $450-4000, with most in the $550-1200 range. Mine is made of trash, and litterally hasn't failed in a way that wasn't directly operator error. We'll come back to why this is a good choice for you, at the end. I'm about $900 in on mine, including everything I've bought and then passed on.
I have a AR clone, in 22lr. This is so I can practice for $0.07 per shot, instead of $0.57 per shot. The manual of arms (Read: how you operate it) is the same. The furniture is the same. (Furniture is stock, grip, foregrip, accessories..) so I can train with it, and still instill the same.. behaviors. I have a Hamerli Tac R1. It was $400 I think, and I have another $100 of "stuff' on it.
Both guns have a LPVO (Low Power Variable Optic) which is a adjustable scope designed for "useful" combat ranges. I'm not entirely sure that's the right decision yet, but it's much better than the $20 red dots I had on them. LPVO's give you the opportunity to zoom in on things that are "out there" so you can make better decisions. Ideally, saving you from having to DO anything. I think that's a really important point. Almost as important as.. the next.
You wrote you're looking for a rifle, rifles require.. a plan. You're not going to be "somewhere" and decide you need your rifle and have it. You need to plan for it. Pistols however... you can just kinda throw in the bag, in the car, on your person. While a rifle is a good thing to have, you're more likely to get (as grizzly as it sounds) actual use out of a pistol.
I went with a Canik TP9 because... well. about 70% the dude on the other side of the sales table said he liked it. He wasn't wrong. It's more or less a Walther p99 clone, and while not as nice.. still quite good. Better than I am at least. 18 rounds available, full size, trigger based safety with a nice trigger feel. It came with two magazines and a holster. It's a bit heavy, but heavy isn't bad for a pistol as it reduces the felt recoil. It's good. I'll list what I've shot and my opinions later, so you can judge me silently later. :-) It was about $600, IIRC.
I also bought a Taurus G3c. I went in expecting trash, and walked out the door for less than $270. I can't reasonably carry the Canik, without it being clear I'm carrying, the Taurus is concealable. It's a lot lighter, but recoil hits a lot harder. It is however, Nero compatible, and I'm quite accurate with it. The shorter length does make the sight radius shorter which doesn't help things. It holds 12 rounds.
My opinions are based on the moderately wide range of pistols I have shot. 50AE, 45, 9mm, 270 Winchester (yes, really..), 22lr, and 380. There's been two revolvers, and I don't recall their chambering.
Ok, specific recommendations:
Pistols: What you're looking for in specific is a double stack, striker fired pistol. Chambered in 9mm. People have said Glock 19, they're right. It's like buying IBM, nobody can say you made a bad decision. If you're budget minded, also look at the PSA Dagger. It's a Glock 19 gen 3 clone that seems utterly unproblematic. It's been on the market long enough that we'd know if it had issues. My personal choice of Canik is also good. Don't get something with a hammer.
Rifles: Oh boy, everyone and their brother makes an AR. Get it in 556/223. Palmetto State Armory, Smith and Wesson, Springfield Armory, litterally a dozen other major manufacturers. As long as it takes mil spec hardware, you should be fine. Being a military specification, tons of people have made them. You want a flat top version, so you can mount your choice of optic. Buy a few magazines.
Finally, you have "a" gun. Go to the range, and rent a few guns. A bunch of guns. Some shops have done a $20 or 30 fee, and I could just trade through what they had in the rentals. Other places it's $20 per gun. Either way, it's good to try everything out you can. Learn what you like. If a glock feels like holding on to a 2x4, move on. If a Taurus G3c bites the web on your thumb, find something else. If your hands can't do a double stack, the Glock 43 and other subcompacts exist.
Welcome to the resistance.
If you want to be a revolutionary fighter then you should find or form a local cell/group and train with those people. In that case you should buy and train with whatever their standard weapons are (probably a carbine length AR chambered in 5.56 as people are suggesting).
HOWEVER, if you are just planning to be a prepared individual able to get in and out of situations and protect yourself and your noncombatant friends, an AR and the necessary gear to support it will just make you a target. Instead, I recommend a PDW such as the flux raider or other compact 9mm platform. PDWs are much easier to build skill with than handguns, but also much easier to conceal than a rifle or carbine.
The most important thing is to determine your threat model and what types of operations you need to be training for.
edit- a note on ammo and magazine scarcity: don't worry so much about being able to scavenge ammo and mags. Magazines are $10, just buy a few once a month until you have 20 or 30. Same with ammo, just buy two or three thousand rounds and replenish as you train. If you find yourself in a situation where you have shot all five to ten magazines you brought with you, it was time to exfil three mags ago and it's a miracle you're still alive. Don't be in that situation unless you're in a squad with a dedicated ammo bearer.
You didn't mention your budget, so I'll first suggest a WWSD rifle, which is a particularly light weight AR-15. They also make a cost reduced version that's half the cost while only being a little heavier at 5.4lbs.
I suggest these for two reasons,
- They're genuinely excellent firearms. Well constructed, reliable, with easily replaceable commonly available parts.
- KE Arms is one of the few leftist gun makers in the country, who fully support LGBTQ Gun ownership. One of the people who helped design the WWSD rifle is an Anarchist who makes excellent videos on youtube (InRangeTV).
If you have a lower budget, the best option is a simple PSA AR-15. They also make a 'pistol' version that's about the same weight as the KE Arms versions, but with a shorter barrel (which would be much louder than the longer barrels, something to keep in mind).
For information on how to use them, I'd recommend taking a look at Tacticool Girlfriend's videos, especially her series for beginners.
Also, don't neglect getting medical equipment (a small IFAK) and learning how to use them!
If you ever want to opt for armor, I'd suggest either a used level II or Level III Kevlar vest and a MICH helmet from eBay.
If you want rifle protection, consider Redstar Defense, a leftist armor maker that makes quite excellent ceramic armor plates for a very afford able price.
Whatever you go with, try to link up with like minded people and become organized in your community. Here's a solid guide on how to do that.
Could you please mention other leftist gunmakers as well?
I don't know of any others that are truly leftist. The best I could find is this list of makers that are at best apolitical.
Otherwise, I'd opt for EU gun makers, or a used one from a left leaning gun shop, if you can find one.
Your revolver is probably fine for home and personal defense. For more active defense, I imagine you need a group to train with to learn squad tactics or whatever (I don't even know if these really exist on the left, and I'd be cautious about the Feds).
I think a good option if they live close enough, would be to participate in a 2-gun Desert Brutality match, which is run by Karl Kassarda of InRangeTV, a longtime Anarchist.
Those brutality matches were copied in Ukrainian boot camps, where they reported it was the closest representation of combat conditions they had experienced, and overall the most useful firearm training they did.
I am physically disabled and wouldn't be capable of doing so, but thank you for sharing that information. Hopefully it has inspired somebody else.
Also, most of these questions will be answered by watching InRangeTV. I hesitate to unilaterally endorse the output of specific people, but Karl seems to be a genuinely good person who truly cares about leftist values and you could pick far worse places to increase your knowledge about firearms.
Just join one of the less extreme right wing one's so you can learn the enemies tactics.
Unfortunately/fortunately, my local chapter has been so inundated with interest this year that they have temporarily suspended new memberships.
Well, a lot depends on your ability to either amass, or obtain ammo.
If you can afford to stock up, you can essentially pick what you want. 5.56 is popular for a reason, but 7.62 has advantages.
But, 5.56 and .223 may be easier to source if you're not where your stockpile is. That's the route I took in selecting a rifle because it's going to be more realistic to find something to load up with if it's crazy, and it's perfect for my needs vs varmints and dangerous animals if excrement and air conditioning never meet.
Now, another factor in selecting your ammo choice (which tends to be more important than brands or even platforms, imo) is portability and firability.
If you go with a 5.56, you're likely to be able to carry more than you would something like 308 that packs more punch, and you'll be dealing with less recoil. If you have weight limit on the rifle itself, you can't ignore the added weight of a full magazine, and spares. Since, again, that caliber is so popular, you can almost guarantee finding a lightweight rifle, and probably affordable, light magazines, which improves your ability to move as well as put bullets on target.
That being said, pistol caliber carbines exist, and have benefits too. A 9mm or 40 cal round is going to be okay, lightweight, and easy to source ammo for. There's some that use the same magazines as glock does, so you can mostly freely use the same mags, same ammo and switch between a handgun or longer gun at will. They also tend to be less expensive than your typical 5.56 rifle, though that obviously has a lot of overlap.
And, a PCC tends to be very lightweight. I've got a neighbor with a kel-tec 9mm that, to me, feels like a nerf gun in my hand. Iirc, that's the sub-2000. Decent gun, not perfect, but decent enough.
I’m disabled in a way that limits my ability to hold anything heavy, so lighter weight is good.
Literally the reason pistol braces exist.
99.9% use it as a stock to get around SBR laws, so you might have to research which one does the actual job it's supposed to best. But they were invented so you could literally strap an AR to your arm.
But rather than a rifle I'd say something like the Extar EP9:
9mm will be lighter weight and less recoil, and it's crazy lightweight with a short barrel keeping the weight towards your chest where its easiest.
Takes Glock mags, so you can run 15rounders to be as light as possible, grab a 33 round ruler clip to have more than a standard AR, or go all out and get a fucking drum.
15 in the gun and ruler clips for reloads would be a good plan.
Thank you for taking the time. I wasn't familiar with pistol braces. I've got some research to do.
I'm no expert by any means, but I have a little experience.
Revolvers load slowly and have very limited capacity. If you're going to choose a handgun, a semi-auto will be more useful. 9mm ammo is plentiful, so that's going to be a fine choice. A longer barrel will provide more accuracy and range, while a shorter barrel will be more concealable.
Rifles are far more accurate at longer ranges. I know from shooting an AR-15 that those are heavy, unless you're shooting from a supported position with a bipod. AR-15 build kits (that you just have to add a registered lower receiver to) can be very inexpensive. Add a bipod and a scope, and you're ready to post up - just don't expect to be doing a running gun battle with it unless you're young and strong. (Edit: I see people here saying AR-15s are lightweight. The one I shot was 5.56, and it was not light.)
On the other hand, a 22 rifle is much easier to handle from a standing position, and 22LR ammo is cheap. Unless you get a lucky shot, 22LR isn't going to stop someone wearing proper body armor, but it'll give them pause, and certainly be useful against looters and hooligans and the otherwise unprepared troublemakers.
Another option that I've been considering is a pistol caliber carbine. Should be relatively light compared to an AR-15, and I'd only have to worry about one caliber of ammo to use for both the pistol and the carbine. Not quite the range of a proper rifle, but plenty more than a handgun.
I've used a Canik TP9, full size 9mm pistol, I liked it a lot. Mossberg MC1sc, 9mm carry pistol, quite nice. Taurus G3C 9mm - it definitely works, I don't like the trigger. Hammerli TAC R1 22LR, looks like a battlefield weapon, goes pew pew - liked it. Some random AR-15, definitely fun to shoot, but if I "had to use it," I would absolutely want a bipod and a fixed position. Scopes on rifles make them so much more easy.
Buy or even better build a budget ar-15. Ammo and replacement parts readily available in a SHTF scenario. Easily swap out uppers for shorter or longer range engagements. Can be used close quarters or at distances of ~400m with some training. Can easily be acquired for between $500-$1000.
Glock 19 to start, then build a rifle
Go to your local range and ask. They will be your suppier of ammo and training so they will give good advice of what works where you are.
That works well enough if you're a straight CIS white male, but it's not a particularly inviting place if you aren't.
It is true that there are plenty of ranges out there that cater to the fascists. There are also ones that don't. RangeUSA is a chain store that has locations across the midwest and east Texas, and I've found them to be very nice. I'm sure there are other ranges out there like it.
Sure, there's a world of difference between catering to the fascists and a place that asks patrons to leave their politics at the door. But how is someone from a marginalized group supposed to know which range is going to be welcoming and which merely walking through the door is an invitation to harassment or worse. I'm not necessarily specifically addressing the OP, but anyone in this position who simply doesn't know where to start.
As an example, local to me is an excellent facility that is utterly poisoned by the clientele. Not only politically, but the (lack of) range etiquette that has developed in that political sphere is frankly, dangerous.
Two key rules were drilled into my head growing up around firearms: treat every gun as if it's loaded, and guns are not toys. I don't see those rules being respected among the right wingers, even many with the training to know better.
If the range is not vigorously enforcing safety, you don't want to be there regardless of politics. This is one of the reasons I mentioned RangeUSA. Both of the stores I've been to, there's a range safety officer on the back line all the time, and they take their shit seriously. I was transferring loose rounds into an empty package "caddy" outside of the lane, and a guy stopped almost immediately to check that I wasn't loading magazines. Another guy gave me shooting advice because he'd been watching what I was doing. And I've seen all sorts of people in there every time I've gone, both customers and employees.
But how is someone from a marginalized group supposed to know which range is going to be welcoming and which merely walking through the door is an invitation to harassment or worse.
Just like anywhere else, you're not going to know unless you go in, or if you're able to talk to people who already have. Google reviews can be helpful; I know there's a couple of places in my area that I'm avoiding on that basis. Of course, you will probably have more luck finding a "clean, well-lighted place" in a populated area than in a rural one, but again, that goes for everything, not just shooting ranges.
Well, my experience is mostly with rural gun clubs, so range officers just aren't a thing except during scheduled events. At that point, it's basically incumbent on the club members to police themselves. I've seen that work well and I've seen it work very poorly. Actually, come to think of it, the specific range I mentioned used to be great. The facility is still excellent, but the old timers that made it that way have passed and the current crowd seem to view firearms as a talisman for manhood.
But the point I was trying to make is that Step 1 should probably be to reach out in your community, check reviews, etc, not to walk blindly into a potentially hostile situation. If you have a good range available, then sure, it's a great resource.
I have been reaching out. Apparently so have many others, and there is not room for all of us newbies right now.
I can imagine, especially depending on what part of the country you're in. There is mostly pretty good advice in this thread. Beyond what's already been said, all I can say is keep your eyes open, trust the "vibes" of a situation and be safe.
Knowledge is the greatest weapon you can use to affect change. A gun will, at best, stave off scavengers in the post-apocalyptic wet dream of the "resist" faction of the fediverse.
By the time you need a gun you'll have already lost.
There are communities organizing armed patrols to protect themselves from MAGA. Guns are becoming pretty relevant right now.
Imma say use the single-least popular round.
Get a rifle chambered in .260 Remington, maybe a Tiika T3. Great ballistics, low recoil, higj lethality.
Best 'all rounder' in existence.