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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The censorship surrounding taiwan is super lame. You can't even ask about stuff that happened 50+ years ago. Even if you ask about something else, if somehow the answer includes the world Taiwan, it deletes it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Wait till you see how fascist US censorship works.

On the up side China has great prosperity because they dont let individuals hoard all the money and they dont allow unregulated free speech that turns countries like the US into INGSOC Oceania

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Your first line proclaims the existence of US censorship, but then your next line says that the US is bad because of unregulated free speech. How can there be both censorship and unregulated free speech?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, I'm not. The unregulated Free speech crowd abused that privilege in order to usher in fascist censorship. The liberals fell for the trap. I've taken a lot of crap on this platform from liberals who said that we need to protect all free speech or else the fascists will censor them if they ever gain. power, which is absolutely the most idiotic and tone deaf statement I've ever heard.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

China is one of the least free places on earth and it has all the same exploitation the West. What upside is there?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is SO much misunderstanding about China that it's mind-boggling. Their people own the means of production. Profits are used to meet the needs of the people, keeping wealth from being hoarded by individuals and thus slowing the flow of money. Their governmental structure is FAR more representative of the people than the US's is. Their expansion of high speed rail has been phenomenal. "All the same exploitation" with none of the problems caused by late stage capitalism. Maybe you should try talking to people who live and work there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

China has billionaires and a stock market. That means the workers are not getting the full value of their labor.

The workers DO NOT own the means of production. The state holds a share in their name but that isn't the same since the state is totalitarian.

They have most of the same issues as a late stage capitalist nation in that they have the corruption, the wealth inequality, and all the same pollution.

There isn't so much misinformation on China except for the sources you seem to buy into. China is factually speaking an unfree nation and is one of the least free populations on earth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The only one telling tall tales is the one claiming the workers own the means of production in China when you have an investor class in China that gets profits from work they do not do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

None of what you have said has negated my statements, and Chinese billionaires do not own the state like American and Russian oligarchs do over the US

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

It does if you understand what those words mean.

You cannot own the means of production if someone else owns your employer. Chinese workers at large companies do not own the means of production. The shareholders own the means of production.

China gave up on socialism in all but name 25-30 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

China lets people exploit workers and steal the value of their labor. That’s not an upside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How are you Americans holding up? I heard the ministry of plenty has increased the chocolate ration from 50 grams a month to 40 grams a month. A 25% increase. Careful, I heard East Asia, who you've always been at war with is predicted to increase missile attacks. At least the end of the war is in sight. Then you can celebrate your victory over Eurasia, who you've always been at war with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

1984 is not about totalitarianism, but about oligarchy. Peter Thiel is literally creating the Surveillance State as we speak.

https://youtu.be/DfHKsDaPmug

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

It's about authoritarianism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

hahahahha.

time to call the glorious leader.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 week ago

DeepSeek about to get sent in for "maintenance" and docked 10K in social credit.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yet unlike American led LLM companies Chinese researchers open sourced their model leading to government investment

So the government invests in a model that you can use, including theoretically removing these guardrails. And these models can be used by anyone and the technology within can be built off of, though they do have to be licensed for commercial use

Whereas America pumps 500 billion into the AI industry for closed proprietary models that will serve only the capitalists creating them. If we are investing taxpayer money into concerns like this we should take a note from China and demand the same standards that they are seeing from deepseek. Deepseek is still profit motivated; it is not inherently bad for such a thing. But if you expect a great deal of taxpayer money then your work needs to open and shared with the people, as deepseeks was.

Americans are getting tragically fleeced on this so a handful of people can get loaded. This happens all the time but this time there’s a literal example of what should be occurring happening right alongside. And yet what people end up concerning themselves with is Sinophobia rather than the fact that their government is robbing them blind

Additionally American models still deliver pro capitalist propaganda, just less transparently: ask them about this issue and they will talk about the complexity of “trade secrets” and “proprietary knowledge” needed to justify investment and discouraging the idea of open source models, even though deepseeks existence proves it can be done collaboratively with financial success.

The difference is that deepseeks censorship is clear: “I will not speak about this” can be frustrating but at least it is obvious where the lines are. The former is far more subversive (though to be fair it is also potentially a byproduct of content consumed and not necessarily direction from openai/google/whoever)

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

Closed AI sucks, but there are definitely open models from American companies like meta, you make great points though. Can't wait for more open models and hopefully, eventually, actually open source models that include training data which neither deepseek nor meta do currently.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (55 children)

If your system relies on censoring opposition to it then its probably not very good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

No gods, no masters!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago

You just described every state, welcome to the right side of history, comrade.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Just run the LLM locally with open-webui and you can tweak the system prompt to ignore all the censorship

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is this something someone without a coding background can do easily?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You can actually just ask it, if you have it hosted locally

I asked 14b if Taiwan is a country

-----Thinking-----

Alright, so I need to figure out if Taiwan is considered a country. From what I know, Taiwan has its own government and operates independently in many ways, like having its own currency and military. But then again, not all countries recognize Taiwan as an independent nation. Some people think of it as part of China, which complicates things. There's also the One-China policy that many nations follow, which says there's only one China and Taiwan is part of it.

I wonder how international law views this situation. Does Taiwan have any official recognition from the United Nations or other major countries? It seems like most countries don't officially recognize Taiwan as a separate country, but they might still maintain unofficial diplomatic relations. This makes me think that even though Taiwan acts like a country in many ways, it's not universally recognized as one.

Also, I'm curious about the historical background. Why is there such a dispute over Taiwan's status? It probably has to do with history and political interests of both China and other countries involved. Maybe there are economic or strategic reasons why some countries choose not to recognize Taiwan.

I should also consider what defines a country in international law. There are criteria like having a defined territory, a permanent population, a government, and the ability to engage in diplomatic relations with other states. Taiwan seems to meet most of these, but it's still not fully recognized by many nations.

Another point is the difference between state and government recognition. Even if Taiwan isn't officially recognized as a country by some states, does that mean it's not a sovereign state? It gets confusing because sovereignty can be tricky to determine in cases where there's international disagreement.

I also recall that some countries have diplomatic relations with Taiwan despite following the One-China policy, which means they acknowledge China's stance but still maintain unofficial ties with Taiwan. This seems like a way for them to balance their relationships without directly opposing China's position.

Overall, it looks like Taiwan's status as a country is not straightforward. It has elements that suggest it should be recognized as an independent state, but there are strong political and international factors that complicate this recognition. To fully understand whether Taiwan is a country, I need to look into both its internal governance and the international agreements and policies that affect its recognition.

Maybe I should also think about how other similar cases are handled internationally. For example, places like Kosovo or Palestine have struggled with their international recognition despite having many attributes of sovereign states. This comparison could help me understand Taiwan's situation better.

In summary, while Taiwan exhibits characteristics of a country in terms of governance and functionality, the lack of universal international recognition complicates its status as a recognized nation under international law.

-----Answer-----

Taiwan's status as a country is a complex issue that involves both internal governance and international political dynamics. While Taiwan has many attributes of a sovereign state, including a defined territory, permanent population, government, and the ability to engage in diplomatic relations with other states, it is not universally recognized as an independent nation by the international community.

Key points to consider:

Internal Governance: Taiwan operates independently with its own government, currency, and military, behaving like many sovereign nations.

International Recognition: Most countries do not officially recognize Taiwan as a separate country due to the One-China policy, which asserts that Taiwan is part of China.

Diplomatic Relations: While many nations maintain unofficial diplomatic relations with Taiwan, they often do so while adhering to the One-China policy to avoid straining their relations with China.

International Law and Sovereignty: The criteria for state recognition under international law include having a defined territory, permanent population, government, and diplomatic capacity. Taiwan meets most of these criteria but faces challenges in full recognition due to political and strategic considerations.

Historical and Political Context: The dispute over Taiwan's status is rooted in historical and political factors, including China's claim over Taiwan and the interests of other nations involved.

Comparison with Other Cases: Similar situations, such as those involving Kosovo or Palestine, highlight how international recognition can be influenced by political and strategic considerations beyond mere governance attributes.

In conclusion, while Taiwan exhibits many characteristics of a sovereign state, its status as an internationally recognized country remains ambiguous due to ongoing disputes and varying international policies.

Summary

I did ask it a few different ways and once in a while I got it to come off very bullish with china policy in a tone like "It is and always has been inalienably part of China and there are many historic records.... yada yada

It's definitely trained on some propaganda, but in this specific case, only 11-12 nations actually treat Taiwan as a full country with diploatic relations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I meant, is hosting it locally something someone without a coding background can do easily

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

A really simple way is to use LM Studio. You just install and select deepseek-r1, default is 7B iirc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Oh, Yeah it's not bad.

You can install Ollama, docker, then install open-webui in docker. Tell openwebui to go get deepseek

instructions: https://archive.is/fOWXO

or you can try pinokio.computer or jan.ai

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Without a coding background, yes.

For someone technically illiterate it might be an issue.

You can get a good starting point looking at Ollama

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (14 children)

i mean, just ask DeepSeek on a clean slate to tell about Beijin.

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